ARRON BIRD

That actually works against mobile camera vans.
I have a road angel with all the bits but I still got nicked and no aid was given??
They say they work but I have my reservations.
Laser guns probably but these vans dont use laser do they???
HELP FIGHT THE FILTH WITH THEIR SAFETY DEPOSIT VANS>
Real crime bollox!!!

minor_threat

An invisible car.

stevem2k

Cupramax

LMAO @ Steve

imlach

Yes, there is a device. It's called a lighter right foot
How hard can it be for everyone to understand?

Old_Fart

Actually there is...it's called the right foot...ease it up off the floor a bit now and then and the camera vans treat you like you ain't there ;-P
Cman

Old_Fart

Damn you Imlach!
C

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

It's called insulation tape

Wonderful stuff....

Makes 6's and 9's into 8's C's into O's, E's into B's etc

r32

Get an LRC 100 or the newer 200. The vans do work on laser. These laser diffusers (or garage door openers) do work. Well mine does, they put out a strong laser signal back for 5 seconds and alert you as well. they are illegal so be careful......
Laser detectors may work if there is any significant scatter but dont bank on it. Also the LRC will plug into a Road Angel.

But of course the law is the law and no one should travel above the speed limits. These are accurately set so that no accidents would ever occur if the limits were obeyed, whatever the conditions. Its just that simple really. Speed kills and every one who exceeds these excellent limits will eventually die so they must be right? I was surprised that Neil Armstrong lived because he went so fast and speed ddoes kill, so imagine if you travelled at 25,000 mph. Oh boy what a death...........!

pugoetru

LOL fek off

imlach

So you'd prefer anarchy on the roads then?
Some people just don't have a clue. Me Me Me Me Me Me Me.

Senior_AP

There is such a device. It's called your speedo. It's great, if you stay below the "limit" (limit - maximum speed for that bit of road, not the minimum or recommended speed) you don't get caught - EVER!!

Best thing is all cars come with one fitted as standard.

darts_aint_sport

lol. 100% agree AP.

Senior_AP

Respect to that. That's a first!!

r32

No, I dont speed, hellfire and damnation on anyone that does, I have an STi with PPP and its never been above 70 mph. I dont do track days as I feel they should be regulated too. If its not safe to do more than 70 on an empty motorway in the middle of the night then a twisting slim ribbon of tarmacadam cant be safe either.
My 40 year old driving licence is clean clean clean.
I really do believe that speed kills, if vehicles didnt move, easy no accidents. You arent the only one who doesnt ever exceed the limits, and I'm sure that there are more than two of us who can officially have a holier than thou attitude. I despise those Chief Constables caught speeding, they should lose their jobs.
Roll on speed limiters thats what I say.
Canute.

SPEN555

Was this when you were going round the roundabout and saw the van parked up?

How did they get your reg plate if you were so sideways?

imlach

You may be cynical, but speed DOES kill.

Crash your car into a wall at 5mph, and you're 99% certain to get out with little injury.
Crash your car into a wall at 105mph, and you're 99% certain to seriously injure/kill yourself.

Which part of the laws of physics don't you understand in the above example?

So, if you apply the above example to normal roads, then 100mph is statistically more likely to kill you than 70mph.

Neil Armstrong had no such problems, as thankfully there weren't a lot of walls/trees/other spaceships in his way when he went to the moon

Dracoro

Walls kill!!!

imlach

...and which road did you go down recently that didn't have a tree/wall/barrier/other vehicle/lampost/telegraph pole/cow/deer/etc?

You can only present that argument if we drove along roads that were free of obstacles & other vehicles

Anyway, walls don't actively kill people If you punch a wall, you don't die. If YOU choose to speed into a wall at 100+mph, then whose fault is it that you die? The walls or yours? Given the wall didn't kill you when you punched it

Dracoro

Hmmm, Speed itself does not kill as you have to crash in the first place. Then, and only then, can the speed affect whether you live or die. Driving at 70mph doesn't kill unless you hit something, as you pointed out using the Neil Armstrong example.

imlach

You've kind of contradicted yourself there
So you're saying that the speed can affect whether you live or die? Which part of that doesn't apply to "speed kills".

Dracoro

Because in isolation speed does NOT kill. There HAS to be another factor and it's the combination of the two(or more) that kills

imlach

OK.
You're obviously arguing the toss to justify speeding

Man A drives down Road X at 30mph.
Man B drives down Road X at 100mph.

Child steps out.
Man A stops in time. Child does not get hit.
Man B doesn't stop in time. 1 x dead child.

Which other factor is there? The speed killed. Period.

Dracoro

I see your point but I'm not trying to justify speedING, just stating that speed needs other factors to kill. Are you suggesting that 100mph kills people? Other factors have to come into play.

You use an extreme example and don't reference at what point the man sees the child. Man B may be more attentive and have seen the child much earlier and stopped in time. Man A may never see the child and at 30mph will kill the child. The contributary factor is attention/observation. You drive on the motorway at 100mph and since most motorways have longer lines of visibility you'd see hazards far earlier. The lack of observation/inattention, coupled with the speed is what kills. Not speed by itself.

Also, it could be argued that the chap going at 100mph would have driven past well before the child stepped out but that's not the point (he may reach the next child down the road).

imlach

Perhaps. In a large number of cases, 100mph is more likely to kill people than 70mph.

Quite why so many have to argue AGAINST the idea of speed killing, I have no idea?

Do you really think driving at 100mph carries exactly the same level of risk than at 70mph on the same road in the same conditions?

Dracoro

Depends. Driving at 100mph on the motorway paying close attention to everying around you is far safer than driving at 70mph not paying any attention. All other things being equal then yes, the speed can affect the safety but then where do you draw the line? Not driving at all is safer than driving at 5mph.

Anyway, I was driving at 100mph on the motorway the other day so how come I didn't crash or kill anyone??

simo

Birdy you really are a muppett

how long have I being saying to you to get a garage door opener?

cheapskate, bet u wish you had coughed for one now?

imlach

...the line has been drawn by the goverment with legal speed limits in place and enforced. THAT is where the line has been drawn, because as you said, it has to be drawn somewhere unless we want anarchy on the roads.

....because no unforseen event happened to you that day. Had it happened, you would have been in a worse situation in the majority of incidents at 100mph rather than 70mph.

r32

You dont get it do you?

I dont speed, that is I dont exceed the legal speed limits in the areas I am driving. Do you have some idea you are the only one or something that complies with the law? But the thought of the whole country travelling at 5 mph is amazing. Do you travel everywhere at 5 mph?

I have a clean licence, have done for over 40 years.... I dont speed get it?

Speed does not kill, its the sudden stop that causes all the trouble!
Can you please tell us at what speed we will die, is it a sudden thing or do you gradually get to feel more unwell as you increase your speed over the limit?

Speed on its own does not kill, hence my comment about Neil Armstrong, do your homework on physics, there have to be other forces involved in an accident or incident.

Dracoro

What unforseen event? I could see everything for a great distance. If there were a child standing at the side of the motorway, I would have slowed down whereas the numty driving along at 50mph paying no attention would have ran the kid over. Obviously acts of nature or suchlike could happen but I (and 99.9999% of people) will take their chances.

Which is safer on a typical motorway, 20mph or 80mph?

However, I'd agree that the speed would affect the severity of an accident.