Sub97

Hi,

Does anyone know of any good Rottweiler breeders in the Midlands area please?

We have been told it is best to try and get one from a show dog line, not because we want to show the dog, but because they have good temperaments for the ring. So if anyone knows anyone suitable with puppies, that would be great.

Cheers,

Steve

Senior_AP

The ring......??

Why a Rottweiler??

red_dog104

I did a huge search for a decent breeder in the Midlands and didn't find one Hope you have more luck. Diablo (I think) Is the man you need to talk to. He's not in the Mids but he has two of the little blighters!! I ended up with a rotty cross German Shepherd in the end. Rescue dog and biggest nightmare around!! Rotty's are great dogs, good luck with finding one!!

davegtt

the ring... show ring, most dogs from the show ring have good temperments....

the rotty is not a rough dog like made out in the media.... its just more powerful that say a west highland terrier which probably attacks more children and other dogs than any other breed (nasty lil buggers they are) just they dont do much damage and are easy to chuck to the other side of the house where as a rotty would be much harder to deal with (media jumping on the bandwagon) most rotty lovers will be able to tell you they are superb animals if they are brought up well...

Maybe best to check out the kennel club... you can visit a pet shop and they'll usually have a book of local breeders (thats how I found my bulldog breeder)

good luck

Senior_AP

Got it, though I did get hammered by one when I was 14. F$cking thing got upset cos I was "running" near its owner. Apologies for playing football in a park while your f$cking BIG dog ran around off its lead. Thick bint owner got the **** like it was my fault.

Other than that they seem pretty docile. Good luck with finding a nice one.

Dogs still stink of poo though.

OllyK

Same applies to ALL dogs. If you don't put the time and effort in to socialising and training them, they will be a nightmare. Even then if you get a wilful one that reckons it has what it takes to be pack leader you can have fun and games as well. You really do have to dominate (not beat or frighten) a dog, once it knows who is boss it should be a joy to own (still having a battle of wills with our Rough Collie).

MooseRacer

Ring the Kennel Club, they'll pt you in touch with registered breeders in your area.

OllyK

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/ - register and do a breeder search

davegtt

OllyK, Obviously ALL dogs should be like that but there are certain breed that just dont mix well, i.e. the westie (they really make me laugh, Ive not met 1 (honestly) thats been tame, they all wanna saveage your leg, just kick them away 1 chased the misses down the street once..lmfao)

Our Bulldog knows whos the boss in the house but it doesnt stop him once a week trying to dominate over me, say when Im lying on the floor he'll think its a perfect opportunity to try and enforce his power over me, fat bugger just gets rolled on his back until he gives up

davegtt

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/guided/al..._breeders.html

list of show rottys who breed there for you with location of each breeder

good luck

OllyK

Westies are fine little dogs, but like all terriers they can be fiesty, that's what they were bred for. Come across quite a few at dog training and they have all been fine. Think the issue is that, it seems to me at least, that the type of person that would have a Westie, is the type of person that has one because they think a small dog is no trouble and doesn't need training.

He has the high ground, and thus has the dominant position (as far as a dog is concerned anyway), the fact that he will roll on his back easily shows he is not seriously testing your authority, more playing I suspect.

Sub97

Thanks for the relpies guys.

It's for my Mum. She lost her female Rotty at the weekend and would like another one. She already has two male Alsatians and a female standard poodle. But the older of the to Alsatians is on his last legs too, and where they live they need some protection (a remote farm house), so she was thinking of a male Rotty this time, as the female was soft as a brush.

Senior_AP

Some dogs you can train to be calmer than their instincts but in some cases, instinct is till instinct surely?? Like Staff Terriers and stuff?? I know someone that has one and it scares the **** out of me - it is a big muvu!!

I'm kinda asking more than disagreeing, have never owned a dog.....

Redkop

Imatrukarhs is the one to ask, there's a breeder in either W Mids or East Anglia that posts on PassionFord, who Ima got one from.

davegtt

Olly, its not that he rolls on his back easily, you just push his hind legs and he'll sort of instictively sit ON 1 of his legs which puts him in a weak position to push over (remember hes short and round and heavy) so is very vunurable to being pushed on his back, I have it down too a tee

SAP, understandably every animal has its insticts but most are domesticated and live peaceful lifes, they become part of a family and usually only resort to their insticts if they think their family or themselves will encouter some sort of danger.... as would any animal I would have thought. (Even in the wild)

Faire D'Income

Up to a point you're correct but I'd still maintain that any overly aggressive dog has usually ended up that way as a result of human interference. As Olly pointed out earlier, some of the smaller breeds are aggressive as a result of insufficient training which is one form of human interference. Another, and one that continually irritates me is women who upon seeing another dog immediately put their dog on a lead as they know their dog is anti-social. Their fear of potential conflict is communicated to the dog causing it to react aggressively towards other dogs/humans which only exacerbates the problem - simply socialising the dog at training classes would sort out the problem.

If you Google up dog attacks or somesuch, you'll be surprised at the breeds that come up towards the top of the lists with dogs such as poodles and labradors all up there. Personally, I've found that larger breeds such as Rottweilers, Rhodesian Ridgebacks and Dobermans have some of the best temperaments around although they do make good guard dogs.

OllyK

Yes you can get a "bad" dog. There is a rougue gene in border collies that can make them really nasty, and there isn't a damn thing you can do with them other than have them put down.

On the other hand, the army tried to use Rough Collies as attack dogs in the second world war (due to their intelligence) and they were crap at it. Rough Collies just won't attack (unless very seriously provoked).

Speak to some Staffie owners, I am sure they will tell you they are the soppiest dogs on this earth, and certainly towards humans they are if they have been well socialised and tend to be great with kids, know as "the nanny dog".

To be honest most dog attacks are down to the dog being teased or scared more than anything else. How easily a dog becomes scared or teased is down to how well it is socialised.

Things like the towsers and so on that were banned can be very viscious and due to the size, do a lot of damage. Terriers tend to be fiesty and defensive of their familiy (pack) and don't like people getting too close if they are unsure about them. Again, so much is down to socialisation, and being a good dog owner. Ours is never in public without either me or the mrs or both, as a breed Rough Collies are supposed to be aloof with strangers. Ours loves everybody and loves a fuss off anybody because he has been well socialised and he feels safe because we are there to take care of him. Not sure how he would be on his own if he met somebody, but I would expect he would be playful unless somebody threatened him.

Diablo

Don't mean to sound negatve but a reputable breeder won't sell you a pup if they make any mention of wanting it for "protection"

I suspect thats not the main reason, but if it is forget it.

There are a lot of rottie forums (do a search) and ask on there. Just because a breeder is KC registered won't guarantee they are good.

TBH, as has been said, there is no such thing as a bad rottie, only a bad owner. You can breed "attitude" (which is good) but "aggression" is all down to bad handling.

Get along to a couple of shows, and talk to breeders there. If she's had one before there should be no problem getting another one. Don't let distance be a deciding factor.

Breed associations are better than KC.

Here's a good start

http://www.themidlandrottweilerclub.com/

Hope this helps

OllyK

Only dog that has ever bitten me (seriously) was a golden lab, but I was teasing it at the time. My pup you can tease all day, he just sits and looks at you, waits for you to get bored of waving a ragger at him and throw it, then he trots off to get it, daft mutt.

Tend to put our dog back on the lead when we see people or other dogs, mainly as you don't know how people will react and "Stitch" has a tendancy to go bounding up to people and could be a touch intimidating for a non doggy person. Other dogs he is fine with, but again I am not sure of somebody elses dog. Once they have had a sniff and I know the other dog is sociable, I'll let my dog off the lead again.

Faire D'Income

If you're not passing over any anxiety to your dog you'll probably get away with it but in the case of a dog that is not socialised properly it will have a negative effect. In my case, I've never bothered putting our dogs back on leads when other dogs are around for this very reason plus two RRs can generally look after themselves.

OllyK

There is protection (watchdog) and protection (guard dog) though. Most watch dogs would alert you to a danger and would probably defend you through instinct, that's what you want. A guard dog that has been trained to attack is not wise, as you will get your *** sued off if he does attack, even if the person is breaking in to your home, you know how things are!

davegtt

Olly, if you have a sign on the front of your house/gate stating beware dogs etc then if an intruder enters your property and is bitten by a dog then you are not liable

OllyK

Well yeah, not much is going to threaten a pair of Rotties. The other reason for me is that Stitch is still a pup and his recall is a little weak, especially when he sees a chance to go and have a play.

davegtt

speaking of a weak recall, reminds me of mine disobideint mutt..lol

OllyK

Bit like having a sign saying "Intruders will be shot" will save you from an attempted murder charge??

IIRC, if the dog has been trained as an attack dog, you can still be prosecuted.

davegtt

thats obviously a different matter, but I wasnt talking about an attack dog, I was talking about your normal home with a normal family pet with that particular sign on the door/gate will clear you of any liability

OllyK

Ahh - we were talking at cross purposes then, I was talking about "A guard dog that has been trained to attack"

Faire D'Income

RR = Rhodesian Ridgeback.

OllyK

Same applies!! Cousin has a couple of them out in Kenya. The old boy Monty has just died aged 14 and so she now has a new pup, apparently it is mental! Cracking dogs, just a bit too big for my house atm.

Diablo

Indeed, but breeders are wary of the reasons for wanting one, which was my point

As for the signs, if you have one that says "warning, or beware of the dog" and it bites, you will be liable. The reasoning being that such a sign suggests you know it is likely to bite and therefore should take precautions to ensure it doesn't.

We've got a couple of "I live here" signs instead.

That way any ****** has fair notice of the dogs but I'm not suggesting they are dangerous.

He (or she) can make up his (or her) own mind