Shame it didn't finish him off...
24 June 2004, 04:36 PM
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Shame it didn't finish him off...
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...137555,00.html
Shouldn't the bull have been left to finish the job? They want to brutally murder the animal face to face but then if the animal gets the upper hand they get rescued - what a cop out! Fairs fair, they want to carry on having such a brutal barbaric sport accepted then when the bull wins then he should be allowed to finish the job. Bull proves he is the better fighter and still gets killed and the ponce gets rescued - wimp!
Shouldn't the bull have been left to finish the job? They want to brutally murder the animal face to face but then if the animal gets the upper hand they get rescued - what a cop out! Fairs fair, they want to carry on having such a brutal barbaric sport accepted then when the bull wins then he should be allowed to finish the job. Bull proves he is the better fighter and still gets killed and the ponce gets rescued - wimp!
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- poetic justice served.
Its like when they have that annual event when they run the streets with the Bull and then report how many people got trampled on - wtf did they expect?!
24 June 2004, 04:51 PM
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The spaniards are cruel full stop - I read something in the paper where they launch a live goat out of the bell tower of the village churge - for what?
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24 June 2004, 05:06 PM
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The spaniards are cruel full stop - I read something in the paper where they launch a live goat out of the bell tower of the village churge - for what?
24 June 2004, 05:23 PM
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Butkus I think thats just as barbaric. However they at least will argue they are doing it for pest control (which I don't agree with) but the Spaniards have no reason to give what so ever to defend sticking spears and swords in a bull until it can no longer move and then finishing it off by sticking a sword through it or throwing live goats from bell towers!!!
24 June 2004, 05:32 PM
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I always like the phrase "whats good for the goose is good for the gander" when it comes to this arguement.
No-one causes more damage to the planet than us human folk (ref the pest control issue) - So lets take the pro-fox hunting lobby and give them a 10 minute running headstart. Me and a group of mates on horses and a pack of rottweilers (not on horses) will then slowly chase them, wear them out and then watch them get ripped to shreds, screaming for their sad little lives... Ah I'd pay to take part.
As for the Bull fighting too right that if the matador loses he should be pummelled to a grisly end by the bull, not rescued. The bul as victor should then be allowed to run his own china shop in peace.
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No-one causes more damage to the planet than us human folk (ref the pest control issue) - So lets take the pro-fox hunting lobby and give them a 10 minute running headstart. Me and a group of mates on horses and a pack of rottweilers (not on horses) will then slowly chase them, wear them out and then watch them get ripped to shreds, screaming for their sad little lives... Ah I'd pay to take part.
As for the Bull fighting too right that if the matador loses he should be pummelled to a grisly end by the bull, not rescued. The bul as victor should then be allowed to run his own china shop in peace.
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24 June 2004, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Lives of verminous little mice and the odd bird then yes they could well have done, what a good job they did too 
24 June 2004, 05:48 PM
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Odd how this sounds just like a description of a local cat playing with a shrew in the back garden yesterday...
The hypocracy of cat owners never ceases to amaze. We could move on to the number of vehment anti-hunt supporters who like to spend the weekend fishing......
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will then slowly chase them, wear them out and then watch them get ripped to shreds, screaming for their sad little lives... Ah I'd pay to take part.
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24 June 2004, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Now leave cats out of this 
Anyway, this subject is "absurd" and is of no importance to me so I thought I'd post in here anyway!
LOL!
Don't worry, I'm done.... the opportunity to was too good to miss! I can feel the "
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24 June 2004, 06:02 PM
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So explain the differences to me (as a poor simpleton) between spaniards sticking sharp things in a bull and englishman sticking sharp things into fish.
Both activities purely for the thrill of the chase, attempting to out wit another living creature and perhaps most importantly, entirely for the general pleasure of the human participants.....
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Both activities purely for the thrill of the chase, attempting to out wit another living creature and perhaps most importantly, entirely for the general pleasure of the human participants.....
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24 June 2004, 06:03 PM
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I remember when i went on holiday to Benidorm last year and in this one bar we used to go in every night they used to play endless reels of a Spanish 'Youve Been Framed' type of show on the T.V's in the bar. With it being Spain a considerable amount of these 'accidents' involved bulls/bull fighting and all ill say is that sometimes, you may be quite surprised to know, the bull DOES win....
24 June 2004, 06:10 PM
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Deano there is one major difference i will entertain your question with here and thats the fact that bull fighting involves killing the bull whereas carp fishing involves catching the carp, landing it, weighing it, treating it with antibiotic mediacation (which the majority of carp anglers carry in their bait boxes) for any sores or illness it might be showing on its scales and then releasing it back to the water unharmed (a small hook throgh the lip has been scientifically proven to be painless and cause no infection) where it will continue to grow to what in Britain is upto about 65lbs over decades. Rather subtle difference there I think you will find. Oh and the fish get plenty of free food from it to boot.
Now if you or anyone else wants to contine a debate over fishing vs fox hunting vs owning a cat please start another thread about and I will join in there!
Now if you or anyone else wants to contine a debate over fishing vs fox hunting vs owning a cat please start another thread about and I will join in there!
24 June 2004, 06:24 PM
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Hmmmm. Think the Bulls get fed aswell. Probably gets regular vet attention prior to the bull fight.
And there is no chance, ever, a fish caught purely for pleasure angling ever suffers or dies.
You're right I'm sorry. they're abundantly worlds apart.
Because of course a bull is higher up your personal animal value chain than the fish. The same way a cat is higher than a mouse. Just out of interest - in your personal opinions at what size/weight/evolutionary point does an animal begin to suffer enough pain that its pursuit purely for human entertainment becomes unacceptable... a rat ? a mole ? a pidgeon ? a rabbit ? a dolpin perhaps?
I'm genuinely interested where the x-over point is.
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And there is no chance, ever, a fish caught purely for pleasure angling ever suffers or dies.
You're right I'm sorry. they're abundantly worlds apart.
Because of course a bull is higher up your personal animal value chain than the fish. The same way a cat is higher than a mouse. Just out of interest - in your personal opinions at what size/weight/evolutionary point does an animal begin to suffer enough pain that its pursuit purely for human entertainment becomes unacceptable... a rat ? a mole ? a pidgeon ? a rabbit ? a dolpin perhaps?
I'm genuinely interested where the x-over point is.
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24 June 2004, 07:31 PM
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well that makes 2 of us then that are intentionally cruel...
the x-over point depends on the level of cruelty as much as the animal..
mammals - even the smallest mammals feel pain like we do, so IMO there is no X-over point, and I agree that fox hunting is a vial pastime...if they need culling it should be humane.
birds - as above, avairies,cages, falconry etc...all cruel. Birds fly. No need to state the obvious about fighting birds.
Insects - dunno about that one - feeding crickets to reptiles is certainly entertaing, not to watch the crickets get eaten, but to admire the hunting abilities of bonsai-dinosoars. I can't think of any other insect related cruel activities at the moment..
Reptiles - that ****** Steve Irwin, and all like him should be bound and slowly lowered into the richest part of the Amazon River and left there to be eaten - catching crocs for telly is cruel, but they still show it.
Fish - I go fishing, you don't, so to be fair, you are at a disadvantage as you have never been cruel to an animal. Fishing is cruel, lets face it, if we were fish we'd rather stay underwater. As someone said in another thread, fishing in the UK is now very conversation driven, the fish are well looked after, the methods of catching them are controlled by the owner or club, and there is the banning of certain nets, lead etc ( nobody wants a dead swan in their swim,puts off the fish ). You need a licence to fish legally, big fines if they prosecute.I would say course fish stocks in the UK are at a peak, and its all thanks to the UK angling population, and the control of the Environment Agency. Have you bought a 13M carbon/kevlar/free-radical enriched roach pole lately, big££££'s.
But despite the fact I regard it as cruel, I still do it as it is immensley enjoyable. Get away from it all, pit your wits against nature,bring out your male instincts etc, and usually all in beautiful scenery...
what was this thread about again?
the x-over point depends on the level of cruelty as much as the animal..
mammals - even the smallest mammals feel pain like we do, so IMO there is no X-over point, and I agree that fox hunting is a vial pastime...if they need culling it should be humane.
birds - as above, avairies,cages, falconry etc...all cruel. Birds fly. No need to state the obvious about fighting birds.
Insects - dunno about that one - feeding crickets to reptiles is certainly entertaing, not to watch the crickets get eaten, but to admire the hunting abilities of bonsai-dinosoars
. I can't think of any other insect related cruel activities at the moment..Reptiles - that ****** Steve Irwin, and all like him should be bound and slowly lowered into the richest part of the Amazon River and left there to be eaten - catching crocs for telly is cruel, but they still show it.
Fish - I go fishing, you don't, so to be fair, you are at a disadvantage as you have never been cruel to an animal. Fishing is cruel, lets face it, if we were fish we'd rather stay underwater. As someone said in another thread, fishing in the UK is now very conversation driven, the fish are well looked after, the methods of catching them are controlled by the owner or club, and there is the banning of certain nets, lead etc ( nobody wants a dead swan in their swim,puts off the fish
). You need a licence to fish legally, big fines if they prosecute.I would say course fish stocks in the UK are at a peak, and its all thanks to the UK angling population, and the control of the Environment Agency. Have you bought a 13M carbon/kevlar/free-radical enriched roach pole lately, big££££'s.But despite the fact I regard it as cruel, I still do it as it is immensley enjoyable. Get away from it all, pit your wits against nature,bring out your male instincts etc, and usually all in beautiful scenery...
what was this thread about again?
24 June 2004, 07:32 PM
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Ahhh. So if the spaniards merely chased the bull - poked a few spears in it - then patched it up - so they could do it all again in a weeks time. That wouldnt be cruel at all. Splendid. This is helping my understanding of the key differences no end.
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