unclebuck

Clearly a photoshop job. Don't believe the hype.

UB

Jye

Dunno UB, there are some sick people about. Link?

unclebuck

Only seen it on the TV so far. When you see it though, look at the camera angle, the visual 'quality' of the 'droplets', and the lack of any reaction from the recipient. It's fake IMO

UB

Jye

Well you are 'the' TV expert UB, so I'll have a look m8 hehe

unclebuck

My TV crystal ball says it will be on Newsnight, on BBC2 now.

unclebuck

Just saw it again. I'm now convinced it's some photoshop wielding tree hugger who has faked up the pics, and then presented them to the Mirror. I bet he's having a good laugh tonight, and I hope he's tracked down my MI5 and busted.

imlach

I would hope the Mirror have checked this all out thoroughly before printing. Given it is only a day or two after the U$ story, I'm not convinced....

Given this could have SERIOUS consquences in terms of retribution in Iraq & elsewhere, as well as influencing world opinion, if it IS a photoshopped fake, then the paper is pi$$ing around with lives in an almost direct manner.

Hmm.....dangerous.

gsm1

We've already seen Brit soldiers abusing tied up Iraqis last year, what difference will this make?

Sheepsplitter

Some people pay for this type of thing!!
Never understood why it's seen as a 'nice' thing.

Still we have a Prime Minister who has been pissing on the people for the last few years, so why should we be shocked at what the troops get up to?

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

I'm sure that the media aren't that easily tricked by photo-shop. Maybe they should get an expert on the matter hey UB?

CrisPDuk

Hitlers Diaries anyone

unclebuck

Well, I did qualify my statement by saying it was my *opinion*. It looks faked up to me.

Take a look for yourself and make up your own mind. Or do you take everything you read/see in the tabloids as gospel? Did you know that Elvis is still alive and well, and that Hitler escaped to the moon in a rocket?

UB

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

Look...these things go on alot more than we could imagine...very occasionally they get caught on camera.

Our own police force have been known to dabble in brutality so it comes as no suprise that our (and US) soldiers are tormenting prisoners as they or their collegues may have been shot at by them.

I dont condone this but am merely highlighting that it happens. Personally I think its sick.

unclebuck

Where..? Did you just spot Elvis again?

They might do. You *could* be right. But you only have speculation, no evidence. The 'other' pictures of the US troops looked to be genuine, but even they *could* have been faked.

What I'm saying in this thread is that the picture in question of the soldier urinating on a captured Iraqi looks like a fake. It might not be, but to me it looks like it is.

UB

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

just out of interest UB, what is your stance on our invasion of Iraq?

carl

What I don't understand is this: if British and American soldiers are doing these sorts of things, why are they videoing/photographing it

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

why do paedaphiles record their sick acts?

Taff107

What are you trying to say?

bartmanuk

i dont condone wot these pictures are showing,but you have to remember how our boys were treated when caught during the gulf war,and that these iraqi's caught this time round were actually trying to kill our boys before they were caught,it must be hard for them to not give them the odd slap etc....

BM

akshay67

Our boys shouldn't have gone there in the first place. It's like jumping into bed with you mates wife cos he can't satisfy her and then getting a battering from your mate and complaining about it.

Stay out!

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

eh?

gsm1

Not one of the Americans accused in the abuse story have claimed the pictures are fake, but you think they might be?????
If you read the full story about the US soldiers in the prison the treatment there was systematic and had been going on with the full knowledge of those in senior positions. One of the accused also says at least one Iraqi died under interrogation and his death was covered up.
Amnesty had been making these accusations a long time ago but the Brit and US did squat about it. The only thing Bush, Blair and the military hierarchy are sorry about is that this stuff has come out in full technicolour.

According to the soldier that spoke to the Mirror this Iraqi was not just slapped about a bit - he was pulled out of a group of prisoners at random, taken aside and then they took turns to smash him up. They had smashed his jaw up and he was close to death. Their senior then told them that he hadn't seen anything and to 'get rid'. He was then thrown tied up half dead with his head covered off the back of a truck. According to one soldier the youngest soldiers are the worst - they really get off on the power trip.

If this story is true then there seems to be a familiar pattern with other incidents of taking one prisoner aside and getting their kicks.

Will anyone go down for this? I doubt it. When they can't even get justice at Deepcut what's the likelihood an Iraqi is going to get any?

imlach

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3677311.stm

Hmm.....so it seems like Unclebuck may be correct - the facts seem incorrect....wrong rifle, wrong headgear, wrong truck.

As I said before, this is ****ing irresponsible of the Mirror if they didn't verify their sources - they are ****ing with lives here.

unclebuck

I thank yow!! <takes bow>

I agree they should know better, but they can't let the truth stand in the way of a good story, eh? Think of all the extra copy they must have sold on the back of this.

Not to mention the cheap thrills the misguided tree huggers have enjoyed.

UB

ajm

In tomorrow's Mirror:

Unclebuck in "Being Correct" Shocker!

Molds

So, should it be eye for an eye or "we are better than you and wont stoop"? I reckon its easy from here to suggest what is the correct course of action but if you are put into the soldiers position would your judgement become blurred? Given what some of these to$$ers are capable of and what they have done to their own coutrymen I can begin to feel how some of these soldiers may feel towards them. I am not saying its right by any means, but in war grey areas are inebitable, plus its easy to pontificate from afar. Papers should not have taken it up though IMO

imlach

Although to be fair, UB's viewed them as fake due to it "looking" photoshopped, whereas the BBC point out real material reasons as to why they may not be genuine.

So, he wasn't QUITE right

unclebuck

You're just jealous 'cause you are a 'wrong un', with yer guns an' all.

UB

Agreed though, I was 'right' for a different reason. The images just 'looked wrong' to me. Good to be vindicated though.

ajm

imlach

PS UncleBuck, water droplets sometimes show up very well when using a flashgun. They often appear as if they are jumping out from the photo, hence why it can look a bit false.