Chip

Hardly surprising. Pity Blair doesnt do the same. He wont though as to pull them out would show how wrong he was to send them in in the first place.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3637523.stm

Chip.

Suresh

and this is not a display of cowardice because...?

Chip

Maybe they have thought. Why were we there in the first place?

Chip.

Scooby96

Bit fecking late to wonder why they were there initially..... ffs finish the job, bloody socialists

Pulling out British forces now would be a disgrace to all those that have already died, whatever nationality!

Jerome

I think all the coalition forces should pull out and leave the ungrateful beggars to their own devices. All the civvy contractors should pull out also.

Then give it a few months and they'll either be begging for us to come back or there will be total anarchy.

After seeing the poverty that the Iraqis in the south endured under Saddam, I still can't believe that they are turning against the coalition forces. In a year they've gone from begging in the street for food and water off the troops, to killing them.

moses

jerome

trust me if the u.n was their or germany, sweden or holland

they wouldnt have complained

its bush and blair that are a problem to them


trust me

if it was any other good european country it would have been fine

ProperCharlie

personally, i think the paellas are right to pull out. anything else seems as misguided as israel's policy of killing hamas leaders - like that's going to solve anything

moses

yeah am not gonna even comment on palestine


i was raging

RichardC

ProperCharlie,

Less of the Spic comments please, as some people like myself find this offensive.

RichardC

bluenosewrx

iTrader: (2)

this is all al sadr's doing because he got refused entry to the new government,stirring everyone up while he hides in a mosque,he is also riding on the back of his fathers followers,and he is also changing his mind every day about truces etc,i could go into this big time as i've been there first hand and a lot of stuff goes on that ppl dont understand.the press only report on what they see as NEWS but there is a lot of commercialism in Iraq and it is definately a better place to live than it was.The brits are doing a far better job than the US as the go for the hearts and minds and not just firepower.cheers,Mac

tiggers

Sadly all this does is prove to terrorists across the world that they can change governments and whole country's foreign policies with bombs - it's as simple as that.

Very very sad!

Adrian F

Yeah lets all run away when the going gets tough that will stop them attacking us again NOT.

how short peoples memories are has no one learnt that the attitude of ignoring and hoping they will leave you alone means they just view you as weak and come attack you like they did on September the 11th when they murdered 3000 innocent citizens. Leaving Iraq in a mess will only leave a breeding ground for terrorists organisations and the weakness will under line why they can attack us again with out any worries.

As for Hamas leader was he not the leader of a terrorist’s organisation who sends suicide bombers into buses to blow up children Etc. obviously if he is so keen to send teenagers to blow up women and children then he wouldn’t have minded going to be with all the supposed martyrs!

unclebuck

Good idea. Let's call their bluff - let them get on with it. lol

Jerome

Attack us again? When have Iraq been responsible for terrorist attacks before the Iraq war?

No link between Iraq and international terrorism has been proved to my knowledge. That's why Bush and his poodle invented WMD to justify going in.

scoobchrissy

iTrader: (1)

Perfect i could'nt have said it better!!!!!!!!!

King RA

When Adrian F said

"Yeah lets all run away when the going gets tough that will stop them attacking us again NOT."

He was probably refering to muslims/arabs attacking us again rather than Iraqis.

ProperCharlie

sorry - no offence intended. i didn't think the spanish were a persecuted minority. will edit accordingly. (my best mate is catalan, btw, and it has never bothered him, but maybe that cos he knows me well enough)

RichardC

PC,

Much appreciated.

RichardC

ProperCharlie

Adrain, I'm not saying the bloke deserved better, what i am saying is that killing him will result in more deaths, more suicide bombs, more fanatics. is that what anyone wants?

no.

then why pursue a policy that will envitably lead to this.

Diesel

So now we establish the exact price of capitulating to terrorism - one big hit killing 200 people seems to get you what you want. Forget sucide bombers taking out 10 or 20 - go for a bigger bomb and take out 200+ to win.

I am outraged by this weak, selfish and short sighted Spanish decision.

Chantaje es vivo... (as they now say in Spain...)

ProperCharlie

yeah but what you seem to be forgetting is that iraq was not a major sponsor of international terrorism in the first place. so the point of overthrowing saddam hussain was...?

NACRO

The rest of the coalition should get their asses out as well.

BTW public opinion in Spain was AGAINST being in Iraq long before the Madrid murders. The 2 aren't really related at all, except of course the bombings changed the outcome of the election................

vindaloo

There's probably lots of Spaniards talking about this in the same way as we are.

The current Spanish PM was elected days after (before?) the train bombs. More or less the first thing he did was to announce the troop withdrawals.

It's a classic Labour/Conservative type political fight. He was prob. elected on a "bring our boys home" ticket and that's what he's doing.

I still think it stinks and in terms of European and Global politics, good luck finding friends Senor.

Jeremy.

juan

From what I can see most Iraqis are not 'ungrateful beggars'. It is a MINORITY that are attacking the people trying to help them. These will be the ones that have lost out with Saddam's removal, + anyone up for a go at the West.

For the record I think the Coalition did good work in getting rid of Saddam and the majority of Iraq is happier and better off without him. He was an absolute animal responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of his own people and killing anyone who opposed him.
Basing the invasion on WMD was the mistake.

moses

juan they all want the usa and britain out especially

coz they know these ali baba's wanna steal oil


they dont really give a f*** about the other european countries

juan

Do you reckon that most gave a monkey's gonad about the oil when they were under Saddam? They were never gonna see any benefit from it.

It is theirs no doubt and hopefully something will get sorted out to see they get control of it. I certainly wouldn't trust Bush an inch on the oil front.

Given the choice of 'living' in fear under an evil dictator and getting squat or living in something kinda like a democracy and getting squat I'd take the latter myself.

Better still if they can have some kind of democracy AND get the oil. Though I'm not daft enough to think Bush is in there just to help others. He is such an @rse. Dunno what gives him the right to award rebuild contracts and 'look after' the oil etc. Maybe Tony should stand up to him on that front and then we'd find out just how valued our opinion and support is.

Diesel

After seeing the bombs in Karbala during the Ashoura pilgrimage, I would suggest that fellow Iraqis are the greater threat if you too are an Iraqi. Keep an eye on Sunni's if you are a Shia and dont even worry about the Spanish/Brits/Yanks...

That bombing was so horrific, but I guess the Arab world is less horrified as it was 'at least' carried out by fellow muslims. I would politely suggest these terrorists read their Qu'ran...and then be dammed.

Jerome

There was an item on the BBC World news last night where they were saying the Arabs hate Spain for the crusade against the muslim moors (which ended in 1492), so the absence of troops in Iraq is not going to prevent another Madrid.

moses

jerome thats b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s muslims hated the inqusition but not spanish

spanish are arabic blooded from their ancestors

they were always looked as bros and sisters what happened in madrid was coz of iraq and terrorism


always loved spain myself

my ancestral land andalusia is a beauty

Jerome

It may well be b0ll0cks, but I was just repeating what was being said on a BBC World News report on Spain pulling out of Iraq. Obviously a dubious source of info...