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Old 11 March 2004, 02:01 PM
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How would you get hold of these in the UK?

Its a good security device but they are not allowed in UK.

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Old 11 March 2004, 02:41 PM
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You could make one with a little electronics know-how... I'm sure a 1 farad capacitor could store enough energy to give a nasty jolt
Old 11 March 2004, 02:45 PM
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They are extremely illegal but at the same time innefective. Drunk people tend to not to be effected as much from past experience with being stung by a friend when I was in Australia as a prank. Don't believe me? Look at Jackass where they do it on their genitals.
Old 11 March 2004, 02:49 PM
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The tasers the police are using with the barbs on wires are extremely effective because the current is delivered straight to the nervous system. You get walloped you are going down, its completely involuntary, trust me!
Old 11 March 2004, 04:04 PM
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If anyone is interested I can legally buy Tazers and asps and the riot battons the American police carry.

My local shop also sells 9mm blanks filled with CS gas or tear gas not sure which.

Samouri swords, crossbows, etc
Old 11 March 2004, 04:17 PM
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Wurzel:

I'm glad I didn't annoy anyone whilst I was at HP then ... !

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Old 11 March 2004, 04:30 PM
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These google ads are tempting
Old 11 March 2004, 05:19 PM
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Anything below 500000 volts is a toy.

The StunMaster 625000 volts will do the job, works off 3x9v batteries, never could understand how that worked.

They are about £50.00.

They are illegal, same as a firearms offence if your caught,I believe.

PS. I havent got one.........
Old 11 March 2004, 05:25 PM
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yoza:

For your reading pleasure: http://home.howstuffworks.com/stun-gun.htm

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Cheers.

I think the 'voltage amplifier' is an important bit......

WARNING: If your thinking of using one of these weapons for self preservation, ie zapp an attacker then run off and save yourself.
Be warned you COULD kill him/her. If your attacker has a dodgey heart or is using a pacemaker, the above weapon could easily kill them.

Manslaughter charge at the least.

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Old 11 March 2004, 06:08 PM
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Just want to mention Jackass, they were using a muscle stimulater thing, so not exactly the same as a tazer, but guess the reaction of the muscle might be, I don't know. Sure as hell would not want a tazer in the gooch, ouch!
Old 11 March 2004, 08:25 PM
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Wurzel,,

yea i know the local emporium in Saarlouis has one in his window


only 45 euros,,,, its bloody tempting....


i could use it on the mrs when she gets stroppy!!!


Mart
Old 11 March 2004, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by yoza
Anything below 500000 volts is a toy.

The StunMaster 625000 volts will do the job, works off 3x9v batteries, never could understand how that worked.
Actually, a lower voltage and therefore higher current would be more effective. Its the current not the voltage that will kill you. If all devices work off 3x9V batteries, then the higher output voltage one will have a longer battery life but deliver less current and therefore hurt the victim less!
Old 11 March 2004, 09:20 PM
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"a lower voltage and therefore higher current would be more effective"

In this case, the above does not apply. The stun-gun uses an extremely high voltage to disrupt the electrical signals in the nerves, and to exercise the muscles by contracting them at high frequency, forming lactic acid and causing fatigue in the muscle. The desired effect is to stun, not permanently fry
Old 11 March 2004, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
"a lower voltage and therefore higher current would be more effective"

In this case, the above does not apply. The stun-gun uses an extremely high voltage to disrupt the electrical signals in the nerves, and to exercise the muscles by contracting them at high frequency, forming lactic acid and causing fatigue in the muscle. The desired effect is to stun, not permanently fry
Spot on. Also, a higher current through a given resistance requires a higher potential, so to say higher voltage = less current is not correct if the source has the power to supply the neccessary current.
Old 11 March 2004, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggerypokery
The desired effect is to stun, not permanently fry
Fair enough, but why would you want to do that unless you just want a toy for havin' a laugh with yer mates? As a weapon against evil scum, I say fry their a$$ and do the world a favour
Old 11 March 2004, 09:45 PM
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Don't want to give you any ideas, but the electric chair uses about 2000V and around 7 to 12 amps....

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Originally Posted by ajm
Spot on. Also, a higher current through a given resistance requires a higher potential, so to say higher voltage = less current is not correct if the source has the power to supply the neccessary current.
Eh, which scool of physics did you go to? Ohms law, V=I*R! the resistance of the body is constant as is the power (P=I*V) of the battery, so by increasing the voltage (neglecting transformer losses) the current must decrease proportionally.
Old 11 March 2004, 09:56 PM
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That is true if the power is constant, however the higher voltage weapon has more batteries and therefore more power that the lower voltage one.
Old 11 March 2004, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
If all devices work off 3x9V batteries, then the higher output voltage one will have a longer battery life but deliver less current and therefore hurt the victim less!
As I said in my original post, 3 * 9V batteries. At no point has anyone said other devices use less batteries!
Old 11 March 2004, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
At no point has anyone said other devices use less batteries!
I'm saying it. Other devices use less batteries, hence your assumption of constant power wasn't correct prompting me to insert my 2p.

p.s. Calm down.... its only the internet....
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Originally Posted by Markus
Just want to mention Jackass, they were using a muscle stimulater thing, so not exactly the same as a tazer, but guess the reaction of the muscle might be, I don't know. Sure as hell would not want a tazer in the gooch, ouch!
Wrong, thats in the movie, in the series they use:

First - Good ol pepper spray in jonny's eyes and face, nice

Second - Hand held stun gun, he didnt look happy

Last - The proper tazer with barbed hooks shooting out. He went down. Getting the barbs out didnt look nice either.
Old 11 March 2004, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by R1916v
Wrong, thats in the movie, in the series they use:

First - Good ol pepper spray in jonny's eyes and face, nice

Second - Hand held stun gun, he didnt look happy

Last - The proper tazer with barbed hooks shooting out. He went down. Getting the barbs out didnt look nice either.
I think he shot himself with a .38 once too (with a vest on obviously). In the movie he took a riot control round from a shotgun in the belly! Nice way to make a living!
Old 11 March 2004, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
I'm saying it. Other devices use less batteries, hence your assumption of constant power wasn't correct prompting me to insert my 2p.

p.s. Calm down.... its only the internet....
Don't worry, I'm calm You did say I was wrong without stateing that other devices use less batteries so had to defend my radical theories on electricity given the information presented
Old 11 March 2004, 11:18 PM
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This is my best selling line on ebay at the mo Item number: 2993519372 and no i dont sell cs gas but i was on a web site the other day and they were selling pepper spray for £6 but it was in the usa
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