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Old 09 December 2003, 06:34 PM
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As this is a private road, is there a speed limit? If so are there any cameras?
Old 09 December 2003, 06:38 PM
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That a sreious question?

Speed limit? What do you think?
Old 09 December 2003, 06:41 PM
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They can set the toll AND speed limit at what they like apparently!

After taking consulations with the Police they have stuck to the 70mph ...... BUT, get this! NO cameras or Police will be allowed to enforce it - as its private land!!

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Old 09 December 2003, 06:43 PM
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I can't believe that for a second.

So what if someone causes mass death through speeding?

[Edited by fatherpierre - 12/9/2003 6:43:58 PM]
Old 09 December 2003, 06:49 PM
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Yes it was a serious question because how many long sections of road do you know which are privately owned?

I was just wondering legally how they can enforce a speed limit etc as it is not government road.
Old 09 December 2003, 07:11 PM
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Tell you want. I see what I can find out tomorrow at work.
Old 09 December 2003, 07:16 PM
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Just found this??

"Statutory Instrument 2003 No. 2188
The M6 Toll (Speed Limit) Regulations 2003



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STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS

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2003 No. 2188


ROAD TRAFFIC


The M6 Toll (Speed Limit) Regulations 2003

Made 21st August 2003
Laid before Parliament 29th August 2003
Coming into force 25th September 2003

The Secretary of State for Transport, in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 17(2) and (3) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984[1] and of all other powers enabling him in that behalf, and after consultation with representative organisations in accordance with section 134(2) of that Act, hereby makes the following Regulations:

Citation and commencement
1. These Regulations may be cited as the M6 Toll (Speed Limit) Regulations 2003 and shall come into force on 25th September 2003.

Imposition of speed limit
2. - (1) No person shall drive any motor vehicle at a speed exceeding 50 miles per hour on any specified length of carriageway on the M6 Toll motorway.

(2) In this regulation "specified length of carriageway" means -


(a) the M6 Toll motorway northbound carriageway between marker post numbers MP 44/4 + 50 and MP 45/7+90; and

(b) the M6 Toll motorway southbound carriageway between marker post numbers MP 30/6+05 and MP 29/0+70.




Signed by the authority of the Secretary of State for Transport


Kim Howells
Minister of State for Transport Department for Transport

21st August 2003"

Old 09 December 2003, 09:53 PM
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50

I would'nt worry about the police enforcing speed limits, they'll just time you between tolls and issue you with a big bill a few days later..
Old 09 December 2003, 09:56 PM
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50?

Yeah right!!

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Old 09 December 2003, 09:57 PM
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50!

I guess they dont want someone to crash at 90 and take out half of their new barriers

~Jules
Old 09 December 2003, 10:12 PM
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50 mph must be a temporary speed restriction, surely!

I for one (should I ever have the misfortune to be forced to use it) shall not be respecting such an erroniously low speed limit! [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Old 09 December 2003, 10:15 PM
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Well, you will come on here crying that you have got a NIP and saying its unfair!!

If it says 50 - you will have to stick to it!

I suspect someone is having a laugh with a modified Stat of Government don't you??

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Old 09 December 2003, 10:16 PM
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50?

Yeah right!!

Pete
It’s there in black and white mate

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032188.htm
Old 09 December 2003, 10:20 PM
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Old 09 December 2003, 10:26 PM
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Well, you will come on here crying that you have got a NIP and saying its unfair!!
Nope... I pays my money (3 quid) and I takes my chances!

If it says 50 - you will have to stick to it!
Wrong again.... I don't HAVE to stick to it!
Old 09 December 2003, 10:28 PM
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Looking at it more closely, what I think it’s trying to say is that all the toll areas have a 50mph limit.

A report by our local TV news said that all highway laws will apply and will be enforced be patrolling cars just like any other motorway.
Old 09 December 2003, 10:34 PM
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The speed limit will be 70mph and it will be Policed by The Central Motorway Traffic Group.
Old 09 December 2003, 11:36 PM
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Exactly.

A private road in name only.

All UK highway laws will apply and anyone doing 'bad' things will pay as per normal.

Can you really imagine the government allowing a private company to build a road that wasn't governed by UK highway law? This country may be lacking in some areas, but it's not 3rd world.

Hence my sarcasm in my original post.
Old 10 December 2003, 12:29 AM
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Neil Smalley
they'll just time you between tolls and issue you with a big bill a few days later..
The road has been designed so that you will only pass through ONE toll booth, so they won't be able to time your ticket (however, that doesn't mean that other means could be used to check your speed!).

mb
Old 10 December 2003, 01:18 AM
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(a) the M6 Toll motorway northbound carriageway between marker post numbers MP 44/4 + 50 and MP 45/7+90; and

(b) the M6 Toll motorway southbound carriageway between marker post numbers MP 30/6+05 and MP 29/0+70.
Those are over aprox 1 mile each direction (note the marker post numbers), so are for the toll booths and the lead up to them, just like on the dartford crossing.
Old 10 December 2003, 06:17 PM
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There are 50mph signs, but only on the approach to the toll area.

I had a blast north up there today, it took me a while to find a way on it tho. I found an open entrance from the A5 in the end.

What a delighful bit of road- well worth my £2. Will be using it regularly from now on.

I tried to get on to go south this morning, but with the motorway access points not open yet I gave up pretty quickly.

Only saw two cars the whole length of it- one was an old volvo (looked like it was worth less than the charge to go on the road) and a Police Volvo, which I came up on a little bit quick

The photo below was taken at about 3pm today.



simon
Old 10 December 2003, 06:25 PM
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And for those wanting pricing

http://www.m6toll.co.uk/pricing/
Old 10 December 2003, 06:30 PM
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who wants to guess on when the first gatso gets put up
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who wants to guess on when the first gatso gets put up
And when it gets "taken down"?

John.




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