Ray_li

Ok been doing a weeks trail at a company and the week come to an end tomorrow. If they do offer me the job is it possible to nagotiate the salary or will it be rude?
I dont what to push it because its my first real job since Uni.
My sister thinks I sound just take what they give me without saying a word.
The thing is i dont want them to take avantage og me cuz iv got no experience but on the other hand if they offer me cr@p money was it worth studying all those years.

RAY

camk

if they offer the job then ask for a salary review after 6 months.You'll know what the works like and what the going rate is by then and have more arguments

[Edited by camk - 7/17/2003 8:50:01 PM]

Ray_li

Asked a mate what the going rate for a CAD operator/ Design Engineer and he said 22k plus. They asked me what i was looking for at the Interview. I asked for 16k-20k. have I shot myself in the foot? But I dont think i would have got it if I asked for more.

Ray

carl

Is being a CAD operator/design engineer what you want to do (IIRC it is)? Take the job (go for the high end of the 16-20k) and ask for a salary review after 6 months. Hopefully you'll be invaluable to them by then.

Most companies have a probationary period anyway -- you can angle for a pay rise after that.

Ray_li

Very good memery. That is what I wanted to do. How did you remember that. Took me over a yaer to find the job I wanted.

TopBanana

Start high, and let them negotiate you down to what you want.

pslewis

Well done Ray!!

What do you design? You were keen on Product design - is it engineering based? I would say £20k in Birmingham is fair for a start .............. in about 5 years you should be pulling in £35k without too much difficulty!!

Are you interested in PCB design? Is it Autocad you are using?

Either way, a job is a job and not to be sniffed at when you are starting out ............. I really wish you all the best!

Pete

Ray_li

am I in the position to start high? Dont what to come across as a money grabbing ******** but thats why Im working.

carl

Actually I remember the pictures of some sort of massage bench thing that you'd designed as part of your degree course.

Ray_li

Thanks Pete.

You will not like this. Its designing speed cameras (I hope you got away with it). But as you said a jobs a job.
What does PCB stand for?
yep Im using Autocad but I just finished a Pro/Engineering course and i find pro/e is much much better.
35k in 5 years I hope so sounds good to me . will would have like to work at your place.
you're the peace keeper and im the speed keeper

Ray_li

carl

That was just over a year ago.
Hopefully i can afford a scooby now. after years of dreaming.

Ray

carl

PCB as in printed circuit boards.

PS: I don't think you will be able to run a Scoob on that salary. Probably best to wait a few years rather than cripple yourself financially -- after all, it's only a car (and a cheap Japanese one at that).

Ray_li

been doing alot of thinking but I dont think I can afford one on that pay even i still live at home (parents have been in Hong Kong for last 2 years, flying back for a month at a time, so i do live along) So i might just use the money to buy any old car and pay off student load.

TopBanana

What does PCB stand for??? Good lord

Drunken Bungle Whore

Try this site:

http://www.reed.co.uk/it/cgi-bin/mar...or=52&salary=y

It should at least give you a rough idea of the market averages.

Alpine99

At the moment they can live without you.. If you push too hard that's exactly what they'll do..
Most jobs have a probationery period with a review at that point.. Take the job see how the probationery goes.. all being well they'll be full of praise and you'll have a better idea of the going rate and what everyone else is getting.. That's the time to ask for more... unless they offer you something ridiculous at the start..

beemerboy

blimey, i think the speeders will be safe, with this bloke on the case.

heres a few more..
depth of field, is how much mud is in the garden
focus, is a family car
flash, is scooby driver.. lol
white lines, - well we wont go into that one here!!!

BB

suprabeast

i find it kind of worrying that you dont know what a pcb is baring in mind you want to go into cad design.

I would say definately start on a lower salary until you can prove yourself and learn more about the industry. Then start chasing the cash once you have established yourself

Mungo

Make sure you know what you're talking about to start with!

16-20k is too wide a range. They'll never offer you 20 if they think they'll get away with 16.

south-star

If its your first real job dont push them too hard,give it a few months then you'll be in a better position to decide.

Ray_li

Well I got offered the job today they want me back on monday to sign the contract. I got told I work better than the CAD man they have at the moment. They need me cuz they dont have any of their products on CAD.
I still dont know how much they are gonna pay me.

The reason I dont know what PCB is that I'm not a electronics person. I design hard object like casings. Dont have a clue how electronics works. Its not right if you cant see it

midget1500

dude, don't worry about money now. it's *NOT* important. you have a job. be happy. wait 6 months, that is no time at all then review the situation.

Ray_li

Must say I am really happy my foot in the door.
but I guess i shouldnt complain since its my first job.
Only one nice car in the car park and its the MDs

[Edited by Ray_li - 18/07/2003 22:14:39]

Eagle7

hey does anyone actually know where i can get an average paid IT job according to that table?



I've a first class degree and 3 years good post-grad experience and ive yet to see the lower end of those salaries!

beemerboy

yeah but imagine someone asking you to design a hard case for a PCB...
What then???

good luck with the new job, hope it works out for ya.

BB

Ray_li

Thanks to you guy now i wont look stupid

Ray_li

UP DATE!!!

After 2 weeks of work they finally told me how much they are gonna pay me but its less than what I was asking for.

Ray

pslewis

OK ........................... you going to let us into the secret??

Pete

Ray_li

What secret? The secret of my pay or the secret about cameras?
Did you get way with it Pete?

pslewis

Looks like!!

Pete