Porsche 944/928
26 February 2001, 01:28 PM
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I was having a nosey through Top Marques at the weekend and there seem to be some decent machines around for sub 10K.
(I've tried to do a search but without too much luck, probably down to user error
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I wonder if anyone here can answer some simple questions:
1. Are the 944 and 928 models, all 2+2?
2. Are 944 cabs available with Auto box?
3. Is there a clear leader out of the 928 and 944 in terms of reliability, etc.. (i.e. Is comparing a 944 to a 928, the same as comparing a Mercedes A class to an S clas?)
4. What are the typical servicing intervals/cost on these cars?
I've only ever owned BMW's and Mercedes. For some reason, I've never really looked at Porsche in any detail, hence the newbie questions above.
If there are any current or previous owners of the above, I'd be very interested to hear your experiences.
Many thanks in advance,
C
(I've tried to do a search but without too much luck, probably down to user error
)I wonder if anyone here can answer some simple questions:
1. Are the 944 and 928 models, all 2+2?
2. Are 944 cabs available with Auto box?
3. Is there a clear leader out of the 928 and 944 in terms of reliability, etc.. (i.e. Is comparing a 944 to a 928, the same as comparing a Mercedes A class to an S clas?)
4. What are the typical servicing intervals/cost on these cars?
I've only ever owned BMW's and Mercedes. For some reason, I've never really looked at Porsche in any detail, hence the newbie questions above.
If there are any current or previous owners of the above, I'd be very interested to hear your experiences.
Many thanks in advance,
C
26 February 2001, 02:03 PM
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All 944s and 928s are 2+2 (unless you get a special 'Club sport' edition 944 which might just have 2 seats).
The 928 is a totally different car to the 944.
944 was Porsche's more affordable offering with a flat four engine (water cooled) while the 928 was their flagship model with a V8 engine.
The Porsche 924 evolved into the 944 which evolved into the 968. The 944 ranged in power from 150BHP on the standard car to 250BHP on the 944 Turbo S, with a variety of different models in between.
The 928 was originally designed as a replacement for the 911. It had a water cooled V8.
The models were 928 (with a 4.5 litre V8), 928S, 928S2, 928S4, 928GT and the 928GTS (final incarnation with a 5.4 litre V8 and producing 350BHP).
26 February 2001, 02:52 PM
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In answer to your questions:
1. All are 2+2 apart from the 968 (the model the 944 became after 1992) Club Sport variant.
2. 944 Cabrios came in 2 guises, neither had an auto box. They were the S2 cabrio and turbo cabrio. The latter was limited run of 100RHD examples. The only auto 944's were the 2.5 and 2.7 lux.
3. The 944 lux should be the most reliable of these cars. 928's were reknowned for a number of electrical gremlins, 944 S2's had a more complex (and potentially troublesome at high mileage 16v system, and the turbo whilst generally reliable just adds complexity).
4. Service intervals are every 12 months / 12000 miles, with an intermediate 6000 mile oil change on the 944 turbo.
I owned a 944 2.7lux for 18 months before selling it to my father who still has it. It's now been in the family for well over 4 years. I always took it to a porsche main agent, which was fairly pricey. That said, the car has been 100% reliable, and the only major expense has been a replacement front suspension part, which set me back 400 quid plus 8 hours labour. For a standard service, I think you're looking at £200, allow £500 for the "big" 48000 mile service where all the engine belts for the camshaft and balance shafts need changing.
So from personal experience, I'd say that if you buy a good one you'll be very happy, but prepare yourself for the odd big bill. My old G-reg one still looks in better condition than most new cars, there are no squeaks or rattles from the cabin, and as a car to cruise in along flowing A roads and motorways it's absoluely superb. It doesn't give the same adrenalin rush to drive as a scoob, but I still cast an envious glance every time I see my old car in my father's garage!
Regards,
Gary.
PS: All 944's and derivatives are big in-line 4's, not flat 4's as AWD said.
1. All are 2+2 apart from the 968 (the model the 944 became after 1992) Club Sport variant.
2. 944 Cabrios came in 2 guises, neither had an auto box. They were the S2 cabrio and turbo cabrio. The latter was limited run of 100RHD examples. The only auto 944's were the 2.5 and 2.7 lux.
3. The 944 lux should be the most reliable of these cars. 928's were reknowned for a number of electrical gremlins, 944 S2's had a more complex (and potentially troublesome at high mileage 16v system, and the turbo whilst generally reliable just adds complexity).
4. Service intervals are every 12 months / 12000 miles, with an intermediate 6000 mile oil change on the 944 turbo.
I owned a 944 2.7lux for 18 months before selling it to my father who still has it. It's now been in the family for well over 4 years. I always took it to a porsche main agent, which was fairly pricey. That said, the car has been 100% reliable, and the only major expense has been a replacement front suspension part, which set me back 400 quid plus 8 hours labour. For a standard service, I think you're looking at £200, allow £500 for the "big" 48000 mile service where all the engine belts for the camshaft and balance shafts need changing.
So from personal experience, I'd say that if you buy a good one you'll be very happy, but prepare yourself for the odd big bill. My old G-reg one still looks in better condition than most new cars, there are no squeaks or rattles from the cabin, and as a car to cruise in along flowing A roads and motorways it's absoluely superb. It doesn't give the same adrenalin rush to drive as a scoob, but I still cast an envious glance every time I see my old car in my father's garage!
Regards,
Gary.
PS: All 944's and derivatives are big in-line 4's, not flat 4's as AWD said.
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26 February 2001, 05:45 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GCollier:
<B>In answer to your questions:
1. All are 2+2 apart from the 968 (the model the 944 became after 1992) Club Sport variant.
2. 944 Cabrios came in 2 guises, neither had an auto box. They were the S2 cabrio and turbo cabrio. The latter was limited run of 100RHD examples. The only auto 944's were the 2.5 and 2.7 lux.
3. The 944 lux should be the most reliable of these cars. 928's were reknowned for a number of electrical gremlins, 944 S2's had a more complex (and potentially troublesome at high mileage 16v system, and the turbo whilst generally reliable just adds complexity).
4. Service intervals are every 12 months / 12000 miles, with an intermediate 6000 mile oil change on the 944 turbo.
I owned a 944 2.7lux for 18 months before selling it to my father who still has it. It's now been in the family for well over 4 years. I always took it to a porsche main agent, which was fairly pricey. That said, the car has been 100% reliable, and the only major expense has been a replacement front suspension part, which set me back 400 quid plus 8 hours labour. For a standard service, I think you're looking at £200, allow £500 for the "big" 48000 mile service where all the engine belts for the camshaft and balance shafts need changing.
So from personal experience, I'd say that if you buy a good one you'll be very happy, but prepare yourself for the odd big bill. My old G-reg one still looks in better condition than most new cars, there are no squeaks or rattles from the cabin, and as a car to cruise in along flowing A roads and motorways it's absoluely superb. It doesn't give the same adrenalin rush to drive as a scoob, but I still cast an envious glance every time I see my old car in my father's garage!
Regards,
Gary.
PS: All 944's and derivatives are big in-line 4's, not flat 4's as AWD said.[/quote]
Gary,
Wow! thanks for the detail. What age/mileage is the 944 now?
C
<B>In answer to your questions:
1. All are 2+2 apart from the 968 (the model the 944 became after 1992) Club Sport variant.
2. 944 Cabrios came in 2 guises, neither had an auto box. They were the S2 cabrio and turbo cabrio. The latter was limited run of 100RHD examples. The only auto 944's were the 2.5 and 2.7 lux.
3. The 944 lux should be the most reliable of these cars. 928's were reknowned for a number of electrical gremlins, 944 S2's had a more complex (and potentially troublesome at high mileage 16v system, and the turbo whilst generally reliable just adds complexity).
4. Service intervals are every 12 months / 12000 miles, with an intermediate 6000 mile oil change on the 944 turbo.
I owned a 944 2.7lux for 18 months before selling it to my father who still has it. It's now been in the family for well over 4 years. I always took it to a porsche main agent, which was fairly pricey. That said, the car has been 100% reliable, and the only major expense has been a replacement front suspension part, which set me back 400 quid plus 8 hours labour. For a standard service, I think you're looking at £200, allow £500 for the "big" 48000 mile service where all the engine belts for the camshaft and balance shafts need changing.
So from personal experience, I'd say that if you buy a good one you'll be very happy, but prepare yourself for the odd big bill. My old G-reg one still looks in better condition than most new cars, there are no squeaks or rattles from the cabin, and as a car to cruise in along flowing A roads and motorways it's absoluely superb. It doesn't give the same adrenalin rush to drive as a scoob, but I still cast an envious glance every time I see my old car in my father's garage!
Regards,
Gary.
PS: All 944's and derivatives are big in-line 4's, not flat 4's as AWD said.[/quote]
Gary,
Wow! thanks for the detail. What age/mileage is the 944 now?
C
26 February 2001, 08:44 PM
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Ca,
My father's 944 now has 94,000 on the clock and is eleven and a half years old - still going strong, doesn't burn a drop of oil, doors shut with a clunk that make the scoob sound like tin foil. In short everything still feels totally taught and sound. Sorry to sound sooo enthusiastic, but I'll be first in the queue should he decide to sell it!
Regards,
Gary.
My father's 944 now has 94,000 on the clock and is eleven and a half years old - still going strong, doesn't burn a drop of oil, doors shut with a clunk that make the scoob sound like tin foil. In short everything still feels totally taught and sound. Sorry to sound sooo enthusiastic, but I'll be first in the queue should he decide to sell it!
Regards,
Gary.
26 February 2001, 08:49 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Sorry to sound sooo enthusiastic, but I'll be first in the queue should he decide to sell it!
Regards,
Gary.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was afraid you were going to say that. Any idea what it is [roughly] worth?
C
Regards,
Gary.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was afraid you were going to say that. Any idea what it is [roughly] worth?C
27 February 2001, 02:24 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GCollier:
<B>Ca,
I'd guess it's worth somewhere between 5.5 and 7K, not too sure really.
Gary.[/quote]
Gary,
Any chance of a pic, if/when you ever get the opportunity?
C
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<B>Ca,
I'd guess it's worth somewhere between 5.5 and 7K, not too sure really.
Gary.[/quote]
Gary,
Any chance of a pic, if/when you ever get the opportunity?
C
[This message has been edited by ca (edited 27 February 2001).]
01 March 2001, 02:39 PM
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Ca,
My scanner's still our of commission (along with a whole room full of other stuff, embarassingly after a house move last October) and I don't have any photos anyway.
Can I point you in the direction of "911 and Porsche world" magazine (available in Smiths), which should have piccies of 944's in it.
If you get around to wanting to seriously look at cars to buy, email me offline and I can photocopy the buying guide from this magazine and send it to you (it's a few years old but should still be useful).
Regards,
Gary.
My scanner's still our of commission (along with a whole room full of other stuff, embarassingly after a house move last October) and I don't have any photos anyway.
Can I point you in the direction of "911 and Porsche world" magazine (available in Smiths), which should have piccies of 944's in it.
If you get around to wanting to seriously look at cars to buy, email me offline and I can photocopy the buying guide from this magazine and send it to you (it's a few years old but should still be useful).
Regards,
Gary.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GCollier:
<B>Ca,
My scanner's still our of commission (along with a whole room full of other stuff, embarassingly after a house move last October) and I don't have any photos anyway.
Can I point you in the direction of "911 and Porsche world" magazine (available in Smiths), which should have piccies of 944's in it.
If you get around to wanting to seriously look at cars to buy, email me offline and I can photocopy the buying guide from this magazine and send it to you (it's a few years old but should still be useful).
Regards,
Gary.[/quote]
Gary, No worries, mate. I was just wondering what it looekd like. I've already got the latest edition of the mag you mention, I don't know how I've managed to miss the style of the 944 for so long.
The 911 doesn't really appeal but you know how these things tend to rub off.
House move? Pah! We've been in our house 4 years coming up in August and it is still chaos! I think we'll get it sorted just about the time they shuffle me out the front door in a box!
Thanks for all your help,
C
<B>Ca,
My scanner's still our of commission (along with a whole room full of other stuff, embarassingly after a house move last October) and I don't have any photos anyway.
Can I point you in the direction of "911 and Porsche world" magazine (available in Smiths), which should have piccies of 944's in it.
If you get around to wanting to seriously look at cars to buy, email me offline and I can photocopy the buying guide from this magazine and send it to you (it's a few years old but should still be useful).
Regards,
Gary.[/quote]
Gary, No worries, mate. I was just wondering what it looekd like. I've already got the latest edition of the mag you mention, I don't know how I've managed to miss the style of the 944 for so long.
The 911 doesn't really appeal but you know how these things tend to rub off.
House move? Pah! We've been in our house 4 years coming up in August and it is still chaos! I think we'll get it sorted just about the time they shuffle me out the front door in a box!
Thanks for all your help,
C
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