markjmd

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I thought this was so radical, I just had to share:
http://www.alphr.com/cars/1009202/bo...-nox-emissions


Who knows, it might even tempt me to buy one

alcazar

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it'll be another scam.
And/or when it comes on line, the politicians will 2realise" that it isn't the Nox that's the problem, it's the Sox or something, same as they did with particulates.

diesel is finished.

TBH, we should all take out a class action against the Liebour party who encouraged us to buy diesel.

madscoob

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go figure this one then
company van 40000 miles a year min. averaged 41.8 mpg 1.6 td 90bhp
my own astra sri petrol turbo 212bhp over the last 290 miles rural and town driving 49.1 mpg and thats in sport mode not economy

andy97

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Trump that, our Nissan 2018 Leaf has done 225empg for 3000 miles.

cost to fuel sorry electric £60

Emissions zero from tail pipe, if it had one

Even a 2011 Porsche Cayman wasnt able to out pace our Leaf from 20 to 70mph

ALi-B

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Gear ratios and aerodynamics (as well as weight if it's a larger van).

1.6, will assume it's a PSA DV6, a lot of commercials were only fitted with the 5speed, same box as the early 1.9, but with a shorter final drive ratio.

They also often have a fixed geometry turbo...the car versions mostly had VNT turbos.

Ford Puma with the Transit vs. Jaguar X-Type is a another classic example...X-type estate will happily do 45 to 50mpg, Transit 260 SWB low roof 5speed will struggle to get above 35mpg unladen. Both have the same engine (albeit with different EGR and turbo), and the transit is only 50kg heavier when unladen.

dpb

Presumably he was towing a caravan

andy97

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Hardly, but a rather peeved driver, not being able to pass on the outside lane, whilst thrashing the nuts of his car

Wurzel

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He couldn't pass as he would probably be breaking the speed limit and as we all know that is naughty.

andy97

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As soon as I hit the the speed limit I stopped acceleration. He just kept going increasing his speed. He must of gone passed a hundred the way he flew up the road

​​​​​​My assessment was completed. in real world situations an electric car is perfect for commuting, it's cheap to run, zero point emissions and quick for acceleration

alcazar

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And here in the real world, the same government that has , or is going to, inflict(ed) electric cars on everyone, because the owner will pay, has CANCELLED miles of railway electrification on the grounds that diesels can cope and bi-mode trains are the future.

That'll be non-polluting diesels then? And very light diesels so as not to carry extra weight while on the juice?

Utter b@stards.

urban

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and as ugly as hell

alcazar

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Most modern cars are: European-designed jelly-mould, melted, or sucked, sweet design, with many on fake too-high suspension. Plus they all begin to look the same...it's what the EU nanny state wants.
THEN folk wonder why they won't go round corners!

dpb

Are the designs vastly diffenrent in asia ?

neil-h

Nope, you might get minor cosmetic differences but other than that they'll be the same (it's cheaper that way).

andy97

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I agree Porsche has changed design in 50 years. Just lazy

ALi-B

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It'd be nice if we once again saw modest cars with proper suspension or at least not derivatives of its competitors (Is it coincidence that a Kia Ceed has copied the Fords Focus's rear suspension?).

Not Mc-Pherson struts, I'm sick of the sight of them. Once upon a time a Dolomite would be double wishbones on the front with a Live rear. A Nissan P11 would have multi-link on the front, whilst pepped-up Hondas would have all sorts on both axles (along with the Rover spin-offs) as well as active or passive rear-steer. Now everything is pretty much the same between most manufacturers.


Even most of the prestige cars all have the same front suspension...They are all based on the same ZF 'corner module' system (https://www.zf.com/corporate/en_de/p...er-modul.shtml)....Look under a new 5series, Jag, Range Rover, E-class, even a Tesla you will see the very same setup. The only difference is maybe one will have air springs or adaptive shocks, but overall principal layout is the same.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with these suspension designs, but it does mean now most cars generally are much of a muchness.

alcazar

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They all look like Jelly moulds on tip-toes to me