Who's right of way ?
04 December 2017, 05:12 PM
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Who's right of way ?
I think I am right on this but wanted to throw it out there.
Scenario : I am driving down a road and there are parked cars on my side, meaning I have to pass these cars, safely, going on the opposite side of the road.
If its clear and safe and no other cars are coming down the road in the opposite direction then I can do this - no issue there.
If there are cars coming already I wait for them to go past of course - its 100% their right of way.
Halfway past the row of about 15 cars, a car decides to join the road from a side road on the right, so they likely look right, its clear, then go.
This then puts them in a head on situation with me......and someone has to reverse out the way or we will end up looking at each other all day !
My take is that traffic on a road has priority over traffic joining that road - and as such the car joining has to make sure its clear and safe to do so. That means looking BOTH ways when they pull lout of a junction and if they see a car passing parked cars, on "their' side of the road, then they wait until that car has passed before pulling out of the junction.
Is there an "official" line on this - or who would be liable if there was a collision / insurance claim ?
Cheers,
Ro.
Scenario : I am driving down a road and there are parked cars on my side, meaning I have to pass these cars, safely, going on the opposite side of the road.
If its clear and safe and no other cars are coming down the road in the opposite direction then I can do this - no issue there.
If there are cars coming already I wait for them to go past of course - its 100% their right of way.
Halfway past the row of about 15 cars, a car decides to join the road from a side road on the right, so they likely look right, its clear, then go.
This then puts them in a head on situation with me......and someone has to reverse out the way or we will end up looking at each other all day !
My take is that traffic on a road has priority over traffic joining that road - and as such the car joining has to make sure its clear and safe to do so. That means looking BOTH ways when they pull lout of a junction and if they see a car passing parked cars, on "their' side of the road, then they wait until that car has passed before pulling out of the junction.
Is there an "official" line on this - or who would be liable if there was a collision / insurance claim ?
Cheers,
Ro.
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04 December 2017, 06:23 PM
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Sorry to "hijack" the thread but it got me thinking of a scenario where I regularly see people do it wrong. I want to see what you all think though.
I've attached a picture, please excuse it
it's the best that I could do 
So as you can see both vehicles approach the roundabout/island at the same time, the vehicle to the bottom left is travelling straight through and the vehicle to the right and above is turning right......who has right of way?
I've attached a picture, please excuse it
it's the best that I could do So as you can see both vehicles approach the roundabout/island at the same time, the vehicle to the bottom left is travelling straight through and the vehicle to the right and above is turning right......who has right of way?
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04 December 2017, 06:29 PM
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Car at the top has right of way to the bottom; assuming he enters the roundabout and bothers to signal
Unless he just stops there looking gormless and doesn't enter the roundabout, then I call mob rule and go LoL.
Best one is when there are three cars and and two are turning right and one straight on. I go by the informal rule of who gets there first. Have quite a few round here like that and many drivers all stop and nobody moves as everyone has someone to the right that has right of way LOL.
Edit to add, some mini roundabouts have double broken lines on some entrances; this signifies the give way. Not all entrances to a mini roundabout have double broken lines, usually those are the main roads (single broken line) and therefore take priority to the side road with the double broken lines. More often than not the lines are that worn you cannot tell, or worse it's been marked wrong.
Unless he just stops there looking gormless and doesn't enter the roundabout, then I call mob rule and go LoL.
Best one is when there are three cars and and two are turning right and one straight on. I go by the informal rule of who gets there first
. Have quite a few round here like that and many drivers all stop and nobody moves as everyone has someone to the right that has right of way LOL.Edit to add, some mini roundabouts have double broken lines on some entrances; this signifies the give way. Not all entrances to a mini roundabout have double broken lines, usually those are the main roads (single broken line) and therefore take priority to the side road with the double broken lines. More often than not the lines are that worn you cannot tell, or worse it's been marked wrong.
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04 December 2017, 06:35 PM
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Car at the top has right of way to the bottom; assuming he enters the roundabout and bothers to signal
Unless he just stops there looking gormless and doesn't enter the roundabout, then I call mob rule and go LoL.
Best one is when there are three cars and and two are turning right and one straight on. I go by the informal rule of who gets there first. Have quite a few round here like that and many drivers all stop and nobody moves as everyone has someone to the right that has right of way LOL.
Unless he just stops there looking gormless and doesn't enter the roundabout, then I call mob rule and go LoL.
Best one is when there are three cars and and two are turning right and one straight on. I go by the informal rule of who gets there first
. Have quite a few round here like that and many drivers all stop and nobody moves as everyone has someone to the right that has right of way LOL.Why does he have right of way? They both reach the roundabout at the same time.
04 December 2017, 06:55 PM
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Is it in the highway code to put your indicator ( right obviously) on to go round a roundabout now ?
only ask since theres one near me and it causes hold ups since people do this , And then take the first exit , occasionally shoving the left indicator at the very last split second
just holds up oncoming traffic
only ask since theres one near me and it causes hold ups since people do this , And then take the first exit , occasionally shoving the left indicator at the very last split second
just holds up oncoming traffic
04 December 2017, 09:39 PM
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Car B is turning right, and on a roundabout you give way to vehicles on your right. car A going straight on is not coming from his right hand side meaning car B doesn't need to stop to avoid a collision.
However, car A is going straight on and would have car B hit him from the right hand side if he didn't give way, meaning it would be car A's fault for causing the collision.
05 December 2017, 11:33 AM
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http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/roundabouts.html
186 explains which way to indicate, but broadly if you're taking the first exit, indicate left; if you're going all the way round or taking the last exit, indicate right; and if you're doing something in between, no need to indicate until just before your exit.
186 explains which way to indicate, but broadly if you're taking the first exit, indicate left; if you're going all the way round or taking the last exit, indicate right; and if you're doing something in between, no need to indicate until just before your exit.
05 December 2017, 11:41 AM
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Well I witness even on mini roundabout just up road here people putting right indictor on to take second exit which is plainly straight on , or would have been before someone decided mini roundabout would be great idea
05 December 2017, 12:19 PM
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MIni roundabouts are usually installed to change priorities at crossroads and T junctions, usually where these layouts cause a lot of hold-ups.
05 December 2017, 02:09 PM
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I think I am right on this but wanted to throw it out there.
Scenario : I am driving down a road and there are parked cars on my side, meaning I have to pass these cars, safely, going on the opposite side of the road.
If its clear and safe and no other cars are coming down the road in the opposite direction then I can do this - no issue there.
If there are cars coming already I wait for them to go past of course - its 100% their right of way.
Halfway past the row of about 15 cars, a car decides to join the road from a side road on the right, so they likely look right, its clear, then go.
This then puts them in a head on situation with me......and someone has to reverse out the way or we will end up looking at each other all day !
My take is that traffic on a road has priority over traffic joining that road - and as such the car joining has to make sure its clear and safe to do so. That means looking BOTH ways when they pull lout of a junction and if they see a car passing parked cars, on "their' side of the road, then they wait until that car has passed before pulling out of the junction.
Is there an "official" line on this - or who would be liable if there was a collision / insurance claim ?
Cheers,
Ro.
Scenario : I am driving down a road and there are parked cars on my side, meaning I have to pass these cars, safely, going on the opposite side of the road.
If its clear and safe and no other cars are coming down the road in the opposite direction then I can do this - no issue there.
If there are cars coming already I wait for them to go past of course - its 100% their right of way.
Halfway past the row of about 15 cars, a car decides to join the road from a side road on the right, so they likely look right, its clear, then go.
This then puts them in a head on situation with me......and someone has to reverse out the way or we will end up looking at each other all day !
My take is that traffic on a road has priority over traffic joining that road - and as such the car joining has to make sure its clear and safe to do so. That means looking BOTH ways when they pull lout of a junction and if they see a car passing parked cars, on "their' side of the road, then they wait until that car has passed before pulling out of the junction.
Is there an "official" line on this - or who would be liable if there was a collision / insurance claim ?
Cheers,
Ro.
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05 December 2017, 03:01 PM
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Yep done that
Railway bridge up the road here , clearly marked whose priority ,single file
done it couple times The last was female TT driver didnt sense iota of apology, naturally, as i backed up 20 feet
Railway bridge up the road here , clearly marked whose priority ,single file
done it couple times The last was female TT driver didnt sense iota of apology, naturally, as i backed up 20 feet
05 December 2017, 03:03 PM
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Well, after being caught speeding recently, I had to go on a speed awareness course, which was actually quite interesting. The subject of "right of way" came up in the exercises and the general discussion.
It turns out (and I didn't know this), that unless there is a specific road sign saying you have right of way (.e.g Give way to oncoming traffic or You have priority over oncoming traffic at such things as speed restricting measures or permanent narrow places like bridges), there is no right of way.
You can only give it, not claim it, which in other words, it's all down to courtesy/manners/common sense.
Even in the highway code, there are few hard rules, they are guidelines. Specifically, joining another road, for example:
Rule 170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
•watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see. Be aware that they may not have seen or heard you if you are approaching from behind
•watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
•watch out for long vehicles which may be turning at a junction ahead; they may have to use the whole width of the road to make the turn (see Rule 221)
•watch out for horse riders who may take a different line on the road from that which you would expect
•not assume, when waiting at a junction, that a vehicle coming from the right and signalling left will actually turn. Wait and make sure
•look all around before emerging. Do not cross or join a road until there is a gap large enough for you to do so safely.
But, if there is a Give Way or a Stop sign, then that specifically mentions some legislation:
Rule 171
You MUST stop behind the line at a junction with a ‘Stop’ sign and a solid white line across the road. Wait for a safe gap in the traffic before you move off.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 16
Rule 172
The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1),16(1) & 25
So depending on the junction, you either had right of way legally (well, inferred, they shouldn't have come out) or you did not and they were just a ***. Of course, it's interesting to consider how that situation would have been resolved by your insurance companies!
It turns out (and I didn't know this), that unless there is a specific road sign saying you have right of way (.e.g Give way to oncoming traffic or You have priority over oncoming traffic at such things as speed restricting measures or permanent narrow places like bridges), there is no right of way.
You can only give it, not claim it, which in other words, it's all down to courtesy/manners/common sense.
Even in the highway code, there are few hard rules, they are guidelines. Specifically, joining another road, for example:
Rule 170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
•watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see. Be aware that they may not have seen or heard you if you are approaching from behind
•watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
•watch out for long vehicles which may be turning at a junction ahead; they may have to use the whole width of the road to make the turn (see Rule 221)
•watch out for horse riders who may take a different line on the road from that which you would expect
•not assume, when waiting at a junction, that a vehicle coming from the right and signalling left will actually turn. Wait and make sure
•look all around before emerging. Do not cross or join a road until there is a gap large enough for you to do so safely.
But, if there is a Give Way or a Stop sign, then that specifically mentions some legislation:
Rule 171
You MUST stop behind the line at a junction with a ‘Stop’ sign and a solid white line across the road. Wait for a safe gap in the traffic before you move off.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 16
Rule 172
The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1),16(1) & 25
So depending on the junction, you either had right of way legally (well, inferred, they shouldn't have come out) or you did not and they were just a ***. Of course, it's interesting to consider how that situation would have been resolved by your insurance companies!
05 December 2017, 03:28 PM
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Well, after being caught speeding recently, I had to go on a speed awareness course, which was actually quite interesting. The subject of "right of way" came up in the exercises and the general discussion.
It turns out (and I didn't know this), that unless there is a specific road sign saying you have right of way (.e.g Give way to oncoming traffic or You have priority over oncoming traffic at such things as speed restricting measures or permanent narrow places like bridges), there is no right of way.
You can only give it, not claim it, which in other words, it's all down to courtesy/manners/common sense.
Even in the highway code, there are few hard rules, they are guidelines. Specifically, joining another road, for example:
Rule 170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
•watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see. Be aware that they may not have seen or heard you if you are approaching from behind
•watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
•watch out for long vehicles which may be turning at a junction ahead; they may have to use the whole width of the road to make the turn (see Rule 221)
•watch out for horse riders who may take a different line on the road from that which you would expect
•not assume, when waiting at a junction, that a vehicle coming from the right and signalling left will actually turn. Wait and make sure
•look all around before emerging. Do not cross or join a road until there is a gap large enough for you to do so safely.
But, if there is a Give Way or a Stop sign, then that specifically mentions some legislation:
Rule 171
You MUST stop behind the line at a junction with a ‘Stop’ sign and a solid white line across the road. Wait for a safe gap in the traffic before you move off.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 16
Rule 172
The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1),16(1) & 25
So depending on the junction, you either had right of way legally (well, inferred, they shouldn't have come out) or you did not and they were just a ***. Of course, it's interesting to consider how that situation would have been resolved by your insurance companies!
It turns out (and I didn't know this), that unless there is a specific road sign saying you have right of way (.e.g Give way to oncoming traffic or You have priority over oncoming traffic at such things as speed restricting measures or permanent narrow places like bridges), there is no right of way.
You can only give it, not claim it, which in other words, it's all down to courtesy/manners/common sense.
Even in the highway code, there are few hard rules, they are guidelines. Specifically, joining another road, for example:
Rule 170
Take extra care at junctions. You should
•watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see. Be aware that they may not have seen or heard you if you are approaching from behind
•watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way
•watch out for long vehicles which may be turning at a junction ahead; they may have to use the whole width of the road to make the turn (see Rule 221)
•watch out for horse riders who may take a different line on the road from that which you would expect
•not assume, when waiting at a junction, that a vehicle coming from the right and signalling left will actually turn. Wait and make sure
•look all around before emerging. Do not cross or join a road until there is a gap large enough for you to do so safely.
But, if there is a Give Way or a Stop sign, then that specifically mentions some legislation:
Rule 171
You MUST stop behind the line at a junction with a ‘Stop’ sign and a solid white line across the road. Wait for a safe gap in the traffic before you move off.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 16
Rule 172
The approach to a junction may have a ‘Give Way’ sign or a triangle marked on the road. You MUST give way to traffic on the main road when emerging from a junction with broken white lines across the road.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1),16(1) & 25
So depending on the junction, you either had right of way legally (well, inferred, they shouldn't have come out) or you did not and they were just a ***. Of course, it's interesting to consider how that situation would have been resolved by your insurance companies!
The Highway Code says as follows:
Section 185
Section 185 explains what you should do when you reach the roundabout. Again it is important to be aware of the traffic around you and look out for road users who may be signalling incorrectly or in some cases not signalling at all!
When reaching a roundabout you should:
- Always give priority to the traffic coming from the right, unless you have been directed otherwise by signs, road markings or traffic lights
- Check if the road markings allow you to proceed without giving way (always look right before joining just in case)
- Watch out for other road users on the roundabout
- Check the traffic has moved off in front of you before you proceed to enter the roundabout
05 December 2017, 06:30 PM
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Section 185 is not covered by any legislation, though, it's still a guideline.
Everyone should go on the speed awareness course, it really does open your eyes, and not just about speeding. The amount of assumptions people make about road use is incredible (myself included).
Everyone should go on the speed awareness course, it really does open your eyes, and not just about speeding. The amount of assumptions people make about road use is incredible (myself included).