Government Snooping - this is getting worrying!!
11 June 2002, 07:25 PM
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Not content with allowing MI5 and company to spy on your e-mails, trace your whereabouts via your mobile phone, and log every web-site that you visit, the government wants to extent these snooping powers to just about everyone in "authority".
Obviously in order to prevent terrorism, it is essential that, for example, your local council refuse team can trace who you called on your mobile.
Oh, and the Post Office can find out who you are sending letters too - that you stop any more crimes happening [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/25670.html for info and some more pointers.
Of course a real terrorist would use a pay-as-you-go mobile phone registered with false details, would NOT sign on the electoral role, would use internet cafes to send e-mails via HotMail, and would pay for everything is cash - so just WHO is this snooping aimed at???
And don't forget, this is ALL being paid for by OUR taxes!!!
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Obviously in order to prevent terrorism, it is essential that, for example, your local council refuse team can trace who you called on your mobile.
Oh, and the Post Office can find out who you are sending letters too - that you stop any more crimes happening [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/25670.html for info and some more pointers.
Of course a real terrorist would use a pay-as-you-go mobile phone registered with false details, would NOT sign on the electoral role, would use internet cafes to send e-mails via HotMail, and would pay for everything is cash - so just WHO is this snooping aimed at???
And don't forget, this is ALL being paid for by OUR taxes!!!
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12 June 2002, 06:58 AM
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It is dodgy, but if it helps the fight against terrorism then I'm not gonna complain (as long as it has the right restrictions i.e. not sold to companies etc.).
Anyone in local authorities you say...mmm...right, anything you want to find out, I take cheques or cash
...seriously, as I work in local govt. I can't really think anyone will have the time to look up your personal information...besides, who would actually care?!
Anyone in local authorities you say...mmm...right, anything you want to find out, I take cheques or cash
...seriously, as I work in local govt. I can't really think anyone will have the time to look up your personal information...besides, who would actually care?!
12 June 2002, 01:39 PM
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I know this isn't strictly relevant, but I am annoyed at being on the electoral register, but due to some guy taking his local authority to Court re: selling the information to third parties, I cannot get flipping credit!
I shouldn't have any anyway with my spending habits, but it still makes me mad. If you now need proof, you have to pay the local authority £10 for a letter!!! They make money either way! [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Is OK if you were on it before 2000 or summat, but if you moved since, you are probably not on it!
I shouldn't have any anyway with my spending habits, but it still makes me mad. If you now need proof, you have to pay the local authority £10 for a letter!!! They make money either way! [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Is OK if you were on it before 2000 or summat, but if you moved since, you are probably not on it!
12 June 2002, 01:53 PM
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This is very worrying we already know that the Government will smear anybody who publicly opposes them as they admitted over the train crash survivors, but now to give the other government departments and local government these rights is totally unacceptable. The current system already allows to much access. There is more than enough access to combat terroriosm they are just not going to catch terrorists any quicker because the department of transport will now be allowed to track all the memebers of association of British Drivers E-mails, or anybody else they chose. The next time you write to the local paper objecting to more bus lanes or speed humps the local council will now be able to track all your phone calls maybe release a list of the web sites you recently visited in a leak to a friendly journalist like Scoobynet to prove what militant motorist you are etc.
The Security services already have in place systems that track your phone if they want and automaticly scan all E-mails and fax's for key words or phrases. All encryption software available in the western world has to provide the security services with a way of reading it so basicly they already can monitor you as much as they need to for counter terrorism. but they are suppose to ask a Judge for a lot of these existing ways, the new system will allow a senior government person in that council or department to authorise it! As if we trust them when they admit they will smear any body who doesn't agree with them.
The Security services already have in place systems that track your phone if they want and automaticly scan all E-mails and fax's for key words or phrases. All encryption software available in the western world has to provide the security services with a way of reading it so basicly they already can monitor you as much as they need to for counter terrorism. but they are suppose to ask a Judge for a lot of these existing ways, the new system will allow a senior government person in that council or department to authorise it! As if we trust them when they admit they will smear any body who doesn't agree with them.
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12 June 2002, 01:54 PM
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I'd like to encourage you all to add the following signature to your emails.
It should screw up the governments search engines and cause so much confusion that there will be little point in trying to poke into other peoples business.
"murder drugs kill tony blair pedophilia tax evasion al Qaeda kill bush nuclear bomb anthrax **** sex"
It should screw up the governments search engines and cause so much confusion that there will be little point in trying to poke into other peoples business.
"murder drugs kill tony blair pedophilia tax evasion al Qaeda kill bush nuclear bomb anthrax **** sex"
12 June 2002, 03:01 PM
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You forgot "Car Cruise Modify Southend Burnout Weston-super-Mare carpark Supt. Lawrie Lewis ******"
Right that should put me on every wanted list In Avon & Somerset police force
astraboy.
Right that should put me on every wanted list In Avon & Somerset police force
astraboy.
13 June 2002, 10:03 AM
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Slightly off topic but partially relevent...
The UK's largest buyer of advertising last year (by a ridiculously huge margin - some £70m!!) was.... the UK Government.
Not content with charging us huge taxes, they then have the nerve to use these funds to advertise (ie convert the weaker minded..) how great they are - brainwashing us in to giving them another term!
Talk about Big Brother!
Mak.
The UK's largest buyer of advertising last year (by a ridiculously huge margin - some £70m!!) was.... the UK Government.
Not content with charging us huge taxes, they then have the nerve to use these funds to advertise (ie convert the weaker minded..) how great they are - brainwashing us in to giving them another term!
Talk about Big Brother!
Mak.
13 June 2002, 10:18 AM
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In fairness I'm sure not all the advertising was advertising the goevernment itself.
I'm sure it was spent in a mucm more worthwhile way on say, adverts telling you that driving at 0.5mph over the speed limit can kill people stupid enough to walk into the road.
I'm sure it was spent in a mucm more worthwhile way on say, adverts telling you that driving at 0.5mph over the speed limit can kill people stupid enough to walk into the road.
13 June 2002, 10:31 AM
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Just as the topic goes thought this might be a worthy contribution, apps such realplayer , download accelerators or similar software logs every download you do. Your IP Adrress, Email adrress, the link you just visited to download etc.. Everything is just archived and stored away and never erased.
email accounts such hotmail do a very similar exercise. Best way to send email would be to use PGP to encrypt the message, failing that use the hushmail.com website to send and receive your emails. This server provides free limited use of the service. Because this server is outside the EEC it does not need to abide by such rules.
I would personally never use any free email service to discuss anything personal.
Hope this Help
email accounts such hotmail do a very similar exercise. Best way to send email would be to use PGP to encrypt the message, failing that use the hushmail.com website to send and receive your emails. This server provides free limited use of the service. Because this server is outside the EEC it does not need to abide by such rules.
I would personally never use any free email service to discuss anything personal.
Hope this Help
13 June 2002, 07:06 PM
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I'd like to encourage you all to add the following signature to your emails."
Nah, you want to add the following to the bottom on your e-mails...
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I'd like to encourage you all to add the following signature to your emails."
Nah, you want to add the following to the bottom on your e-mails...
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there was a Panorama program about this only a couple of weeks ago!
The government spent something like 30% of it's (obscenely massive) advertising budget in the ONE MONTH prior to the, er, last election. Commercials saying things like "we will pay nurses lots of money" and "we will be tough on crime and the causes of crime".
It is not very often that the BBC has a program that openly criticises the government, but this clearly showed the abuse of power and tax-payers money in an attempt to buy votes!!!
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there was a Panorama program about this only a couple of weeks ago!
The government spent something like 30% of it's (obscenely massive) advertising budget in the ONE MONTH prior to the, er, last election. Commercials saying things like "we will pay nurses lots of money" and "we will be tough on crime and the causes of crime".
It is not very often that the BBC has a program that openly criticises the government, but this clearly showed the abuse of power and tax-payers money in an attempt to buy votes!!!
mb
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Seeing this reminds me of when S****horpe council installed their firewall and internet filter. No one could figure out why all the emails were being filtered !!!!!
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Erm, where did you get this collection of baits from and what exactly do they mean (please explain every one of them at length
). I mean, I want to know what I don't know about, see.Ralf
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Ralf,
if i told you, i would have to kill you
But as your starter for 10, a "Telex" is an old fashioned machine that big companies used before the Fax was invented - As for the other ones 
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if i told you, i would have to kill you
But as your starter for 10, a "Telex" is an old fashioned machine that big companies used before the Fax was invented
- As for the other ones mb
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Boomer,
Just seen your email signature suggestion! 
Tell you what mate, if you can tell me what 50% of those actually mean and why they are ELINT and SIGINT 'tags' for GCHQ, I'll buy you lunch when I meet you!
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Just seen your email signature suggestion!
Tell you what mate, if you can tell me what 50% of those actually mean and why they are ELINT and SIGINT 'tags' for GCHQ, I'll buy you lunch when I meet you!
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And for the sake of the non-spies out there, ELINT is Electronic Intelligence and SIGINT is Signals Intelligence.
Dunno what a "tag" is though
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Dunno what a "tag" is though
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And don't forget, this is ALL being paid for by OUR taxes!!!
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