Phew - that's a relief....
03 August 2016, 08:33 PM
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Phew - that's a relief....
For some time I have been worried that people smugglers in Europe would cotton on to the fact that UK is actually an island and all they had to do was fill a half decent boat with a dozen illegals and a bottle of water, stick a couple of fishing rods out the back and pop across the channel and drop their passengers off at a decent beach or small unmanned port. Stick them in the back of a stolen transit and give them a lift to London or wherever. Bit more civilised than clinging to the underside of a 40 tonner at Calais.
But I learn that our always-thinking-ahead gov't have 3 boats to combat these invaders. Covering 7,000 miles of coast should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Of course they may have forgotten Ireland as if they arrive in Eire they can hop on a train to Belfast without the need for ID and into UK by plane or ferry But don't worry they may even get some more of these wonder boats by the end on next year.
So I don't need to worry any more
"Sceptical - moi" as Sybil nearly said.
David
But I learn that our always-thinking-ahead gov't have 3 boats to combat these invaders. Covering 7,000 miles of coast should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Of course they may have forgotten Ireland as if they arrive in Eire they can hop on a train to Belfast without the need for ID and into UK by plane or ferry But don't worry they may even get some more of these wonder boats by the end on next year.
So I don't need to worry any more
"Sceptical - moi" as Sybil nearly said.
David
04 August 2016, 01:24 PM
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I always thought the Royal Navy did this job along with HM's coastguard...turns out it doesn't!
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
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04 August 2016, 01:50 PM
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I always thought the Royal Navy did this job along with HM's coastguard...turns out it doesn't!
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
04 August 2016, 01:55 PM
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I always thought the Royal Navy did this job along with HM's coastguard...turns out it doesn't!
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
Undoubtedly the best news to reach the ears of the people smugglers is that the UK has only three patrol boats. I wonder who thought it was a good idea to broadcast that information?!
However, protecting the UK populace internally is the job of the police, always has been and hopefully always will be. With a few well known exceptions the army is not anti terrorist trained and is not suitably 'weapon trained' either so is not appropriate for the task. On the rare occasions a specialist army team fulfils an in-country anti -terrorist role it will have been handed control by the police only for the duration of the operation.
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04 August 2016, 03:26 PM
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[QUOTE=Paben;11864423]
Undoubtedly the best news to reach the ears of the people smugglers is that the UK has only three patrol boats. I wonder who thought it was a good idea to broadcast that information?!
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Couldn't agree more - they might as well give out some coastal maps and no-camera road routes. FFS
David
Undoubtedly the best news to reach the ears of the people smugglers is that the UK has only three patrol boats. I wonder who thought it was a good idea to broadcast that information?!
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Couldn't agree more - they might as well give out some coastal maps and no-camera road routes. FFS
David
04 August 2016, 04:31 PM
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I always thought the Royal Navy did this job along with HM's coastguard...turns out it doesn't!
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
So we have a separate entity to protect our waters whilst the Royal Navy gallivants around is open seas faffing about with Somali pirates.
Bit like using armed police against terrorist threats...erm, we have an Army? Already weapon trained and should be well versed in attack threats....yet we get the police to do the job?
Seriously, what's the point of our vast arsenal if we don't use it to protect our country from invasion or attack from within?
Bureaucratic and extortionately wasteful madness
All our Type 45 Frigates are in port, apparently either they have been on Operations, are coming back from Operations or the sailors are on leave. Or is it the fact that the engines have been in meltdown since 2010 and it will cost £XXXXMillions to refit them all?
Or is it because the Navy need to recruit about another 4000 personnel between now and the new Aircraft carriers coming on stream to man not just them but to fill the gaps left by poor recruiting?
Do we really want an Army (of which the total fighting force would fit inside Old Trafford with thousands of empty seats) that is already overstretched, undermanned and poorly paid individual on our streets with guns when some of them are living in homes not fit for refugees?
BUT and this is a big BUT, should we bow to the terrorists of Daesh, the new IRA or what ever tin pot cockwomble who seeks to destroy our way of life?
Better still perhaps society as a whole, that includes the SN massive, could stop talking about protecting our shores and liberty, get off their fat grinners, get from behind the keyboard and do something about it.
Phew!
04 August 2016, 04:36 PM
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Oh and to answer another question, the UK's Reserve Recruiting is failing due to a demographic trough, "not my responsibility, walk on by attitude" and sh*te terms of service.
But if anyone of the SN massive fancies stepping up to the mark I can point you in the right direction.
But if anyone of the SN massive fancies stepping up to the mark I can point you in the right direction.
04 August 2016, 05:05 PM
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Oh and to answer another question, the UK's Reserve Recruiting is failing due to a demographic trough, "not my responsibility, walk on by attitude" and sh*te terms of service.
But if anyone of the SN massive fancies stepping up to the mark I can point you in the right direction.
But if anyone of the SN massive fancies stepping up to the mark I can point you in the right direction.
Why would sane civvies, probably in decent jobs, volunteer for the reservists when it's practically guaranteed they would be deployed in any serious conflict?
Once it was declared that this is how the Government would compensate for cuts in regular forces it followed that recruitment numbers would collapse, as they have. Anyone happy with that idea would have joined the military in the first place.
04 August 2016, 05:50 PM
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Why would sane civvies, probably in decent jobs, volunteer for the reservists when it's practically guaranteed they would be deployed in any serious conflict?
Once it was declared that this is how the Government would compensate for cuts in regular forces it followed that recruitment numbers would collapse, as they have. Anyone happy with that idea would have joined the military in the first place.
Once it was declared that this is how the Government would compensate for cuts in regular forces it followed that recruitment numbers would collapse, as they have. Anyone happy with that idea would have joined the military in the first place.
In short you either step up or step back.
04 August 2016, 06:04 PM
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Errr that is what happens with and is the purpose of the Reserve. Perhaps people should be proud of their nation and remember what JFK said "Ask not what your nation can do for you but ask what you can do for your nation. "
In short you either step up or step back.
In short you either step up or step back.
Errr, no it's not. Reservists were always aware that there was a slight possibility of being deployed and some even welcomed the opportunity when it arose. When 'slight possibility' was replaced with 'certainty' then most people stepped back.
Before joining the regular army I spent three years in the TA and in that time not a single reservist that I knew saw any action. The Government has promised a very different situation now and the Reserves are in disarray as a result.
04 August 2016, 10:40 PM
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Having spent 24 years as a Regular and the last 12 with the Reserve I have learnt three things.
1. The new Reservists is very different to the Cold War warrior, prop up the bar, two week bounty hunter.
2. Money is not a motivator to Reservists anymore (unless you are an ex-Regular who wants the R2R bonuses because civvy wages are poor and you miss the discipline/comradeship).
3. Op Tours are recruiting positive, no Ops is one reason some have left. They state that normal training is dull.
But we digress from the OP as this is SN
1. The new Reservists is very different to the Cold War warrior, prop up the bar, two week bounty hunter.
2. Money is not a motivator to Reservists anymore (unless you are an ex-Regular who wants the R2R bonuses because civvy wages are poor and you miss the discipline/comradeship).
3. Op Tours are recruiting positive, no Ops is one reason some have left. They state that normal training is dull.
But we digress from the OP as this is SN
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05 August 2016, 04:09 AM
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Guess people have no idea how traffics so mental via the english channel
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/...tery:52/zoom:8
Drag your mouse down and have a look
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http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/...tery:52/zoom:8
Drag your mouse down and have a look
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05 August 2016, 09:40 AM
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Guess people have no idea how traffics so mental via the english channel
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/...tery:52/zoom:8
Drag your mouse down and have a look
Thats normally a live linky
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/...tery:52/zoom:8
Drag your mouse down and have a look
Thats normally a live linky
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