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01 December 2015, 04:40 PM
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"We also object that the beautiful pig is used as an insult".
This begs a question. Would you call a beautiful pig fat? If you do, then you aren't exactly insulting fat people by calling them fat. You are, by slating their actions of overeating etc.
In all seriousness, what a terrible tactic by some awful people to put overweight people down, but it may work; in order to transform them into healthier human beings. I think Government needs to keep thinking of bombing Syria or what, instead of getting involved with this one. Selective muting may prevent some lives.
Please don't say- "What if the fat people use selective deafness to this slating?" Well, if they do, there's no hope for that organisation that hates fat people.
Another question. Would you call a fat pig beautiful? If yes, then you're prejudiced again fat humans, but not fat pigs. Being 'fat' isn't the issue, the issue is who that 'fat' being is. In addition, to my understanding, all pigs are fat. I haven't seen a single pig that had a body of Kate Moss.
This begs a question. Would you call a beautiful pig fat? If you do, then you aren't exactly insulting fat people by calling them fat. You are, by slating their actions of overeating etc.
In all seriousness, what a terrible tactic by some awful people to put overweight people down, but it may work; in order to transform them into healthier human beings. I think Government needs to keep thinking of bombing Syria or what, instead of getting involved with this one. Selective muting may prevent some lives.
Please don't say- "What if the fat people use selective deafness to this slating?" Well, if they do, there's no hope for that organisation that hates fat people.
Another question. Would you call a fat pig beautiful? If yes, then you're prejudiced again fat humans, but not fat pigs. Being 'fat' isn't the issue, the issue is who that 'fat' being is. In addition, to my understanding, all pigs are fat. I haven't seen a single pig that had a body of Kate Moss.
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01 December 2015, 05:26 PM
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I don't quite get that. 
It must be deeply meaningful. 
Anyway, I've thought more on the issue. I don't think that that organisation hates fat people as people 'people', really. It hates people that self-inflict fatness. If those fat people become thin, that org won't slag them off. So, the hatred is towards the fatness, not towards the one underneath that fat. Fatness isn't a being in most cases, it's a becoming. So, if you can undo that becoming and become slim instead, that org will love you.
However, they shouldn't find fat pigs beautiful in comparison. One rule for pig and another one for a human? That's blatant double standards.
It must be deeply meaningful. Anyway, I've thought more on the issue. I don't think that that organisation hates fat people as people 'people', really. It hates people that self-inflict fatness. If those fat people become thin, that org won't slag them off. So, the hatred is towards the fatness, not towards the one underneath that fat. Fatness isn't a being in most cases, it's a becoming. So, if you can undo that becoming and become slim instead, that org will love you.
However, they shouldn't find fat pigs beautiful in comparison. One rule for pig and another one for a human? That's blatant double standards.
01 December 2015, 09:05 PM
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I don't quite get that. It must be deeply meaningful.
Anyway, I've thought more on the issue. I don't think that that organisation hates fat people as people 'people', really. It hates people that self-inflict fatness. If those fat people become thin, that org won't slag them off. So, the hatred is towards the fatness, not towards the one underneath that fat. Fatness isn't a being in most cases, it's a becoming. So, if you can undo that becoming and become slim instead, that org will love you.
However, they shouldn't find fat pigs beautiful in comparison. One rule for pig and another one for a human? That's blatant double standards.
It must be deeply meaningful. Anyway, I've thought more on the issue. I don't think that that organisation hates fat people as people 'people', really. It hates people that self-inflict fatness. If those fat people become thin, that org won't slag them off. So, the hatred is towards the fatness, not towards the one underneath that fat. Fatness isn't a being in most cases, it's a becoming. So, if you can undo that becoming and become slim instead, that org will love you.
However, they shouldn't find fat pigs beautiful in comparison. One rule for pig and another one for a human? That's blatant double standards.
Just think of the millions of pounds the NHS could direct to better causes.
But sadly society is making fat, sorry large or BBW's fashionable.
01 December 2015, 09:35 PM
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Going back to what you question, a lot of skeletal anorexics are force-fed and they see themselves as fat due to it. There're food obsessed people that'd kill for more n' more food, never mind steal.
Just think of the millions of pounds the NHS could direct to better causes.
But sadly society is making fat, sorry large or BBW's fashionable.
01 December 2015, 10:07 PM
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As already stated by earlier posters, this might actually work in a few cases to spur the individual concerned into doing something about their weight. For the majority though it's more likely to have no effect at all, other than further diminish their self-esteem and probably put off the day they decide to seek help to do what they obviously can't do by themselves.
At the end of the day it's just a rather childish way of picking on an easy target - much easier to spot a fat person on the train than a benefit cheat, tax avoider, habitual drink-driver, or whatever.
At the end of the day it's just a rather childish way of picking on an easy target - much easier to spot a fat person on the train than a benefit cheat, tax avoider, habitual drink-driver, or whatever.
01 December 2015, 10:18 PM
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As already stated by earlier posters, this might actually work in a few cases to spur the individual concerned into doing something about their weight. For the majority though it's more likely to have no effect at all, other than further diminish their self-esteem and probably put off the day they decide to seek help to do what they obviously can't do by themselves.
At the end of the day it's just a rather childish way of picking on an easy target - much easier to spot a fat person on the train than a benefit cheat, tax avoider, habitual drink-driver, or whatever.
At the end of the day it's just a rather childish way of picking on an easy target - much easier to spot a fat person on the train than a benefit cheat, tax avoider, habitual drink-driver, or whatever.
In the eyes of the Human Rights law being fat is not a protected characteristic, making the fat and obese a fair target.
01 December 2015, 10:44 PM
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Whether or not it's legitimate to criticize the obese for their eating habits and/or unwillingness to exercise is completely beside the point. What's at issue here is the method employed to do so, which in this particular case is downright childish.
01 December 2015, 11:04 PM
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Before anyone jumps in with any health/cost arguments, this fat shaming, isn't even necessarily targeting the morbidly obese, who are perhaps more likely to have health problems, it is totally open to interpretation, as to who falls into the fat/overweight category. People could be getting handed these cards, who may be a bit above the recommended size, that are never the less, perfectly healthy. In which case, the cards are nothing to do with promoting a healthy lifestyle, just a way of being unkind towards a stranger the card giver knows absolutely nothing about.
While I'm on, overweight and ugly don't necessarily go hand in hand either. Again, beauty is a matter of individual opinion. Just because someone may be larger, doesn't automatically make them ugly in all respects, as much as being thin/slim doesn't automatically equal beautiful.
All that aside, one comment made after that article, may hopefully make some supporters of this kind of thing think,
Maybe the people getting these cards should just say "Bully" and walk off.
My cousin became obese with a very round face after cancer treatment ( it included steroids, I think). She actually ate less than before the treatment, due to feeling unwell. It would have devastated her to be handed one of these cards in the months before she died.
Fact is, it seems to be human nature to make judgements about people based upon first appearances, fair enough, but perhaps people shouldn't be too quick to act on them, as they know nothing about a person's circumstances.
02 December 2015, 03:57 PM
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Law or not, why should anyone be 'a fair target' due to their appearance?
Before anyone jumps in with any health/cost arguments, this fat shaming, isn't even necessarily targeting the morbidly obese, who are perhaps more likely to have health problems, it is totally open to interpretation, as to who falls into the fat/overweight category. People could be getting handed these cards, who may be a bit above the recommended size, that are never the less, perfectly healthy. In which case, the cards are nothing to do with promoting a healthy lifestyle, just a way of being unkind towards a stranger the card giver knows absolutely nothing about.
While I'm on, overweight and ugly don't necessarily go hand in hand either. Again, beauty is a matter of individual opinion. Just because someone may be larger, doesn't automatically make them ugly in all respects, as much as being thin/slim doesn't automatically equal beautiful.
All that aside, one comment made after that article, may hopefully make some supporters of this kind of thing think,
Maybe the people getting these cards should just say "Bully" and walk off.
My cousin became obese with a very round face after cancer treatment ( it included steroids, I think). She actually ate less than before the treatment, due to feeling unwell. It would have devastated her to be handed one of these cards in the months before she died.
Fact is, it seems to be human nature to make judgements about people based upon first appearances, fair enough, but perhaps people shouldn't be too quick to act on them, as they know nothing about a person's circumstances.
Before anyone jumps in with any health/cost arguments, this fat shaming, isn't even necessarily targeting the morbidly obese, who are perhaps more likely to have health problems, it is totally open to interpretation, as to who falls into the fat/overweight category. People could be getting handed these cards, who may be a bit above the recommended size, that are never the less, perfectly healthy. In which case, the cards are nothing to do with promoting a healthy lifestyle, just a way of being unkind towards a stranger the card giver knows absolutely nothing about.
While I'm on, overweight and ugly don't necessarily go hand in hand either. Again, beauty is a matter of individual opinion. Just because someone may be larger, doesn't automatically make them ugly in all respects, as much as being thin/slim doesn't automatically equal beautiful.
All that aside, one comment made after that article, may hopefully make some supporters of this kind of thing think,
Maybe the people getting these cards should just say "Bully" and walk off.
My cousin became obese with a very round face after cancer treatment ( it included steroids, I think). She actually ate less than before the treatment, due to feeling unwell. It would have devastated her to be handed one of these cards in the months before she died.
Fact is, it seems to be human nature to make judgements about people based upon first appearances, fair enough, but perhaps people shouldn't be too quick to act on them, as they know nothing about a person's circumstances.
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