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Old 30 January 2015, 09:01 PM
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Default Israel condemned for announcing more illegal settlements.

Even the US is voicing concern, surprisingly.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-0...-homes/6059102
Old 30 January 2015, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Even the US is voicing concern, surprisingly.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-0...-homes/6059102
Israel needs to expand.

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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The Israel needs to expand.
Netanyahu needs votes.
Old 30 January 2015, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Netanyahu needs votes.
Nonsense.
Old 30 January 2015, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Nonsense.
Is that your opinion or do you proclaim that as fact?
Old 30 January 2015, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Is that your opinion or do you proclaim that as fact?
It's my opinion that Israel's expansion isn't beholden to upcoming elections. Israel expands because Israel expands.
Old 30 January 2015, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
It's my opinion that Israel's expansion isn't beholden to upcoming elections. Israel expands because Israel expands.
Do you think it's moral/right for settlements to be built on occupied territory?
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Originally Posted by Maz
Do you think it's moral/right for settlements to be built on occupied territory?
I'd be rather annoyed if I were a Palestinian, but the reality is that Israel intends to expand. Such is life.
Old 30 January 2015, 09:37 PM
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I'd be rather annoyed if I were a Palestinian, but the reality is that Israel intends to expand. Such is life.
Terrific but you danced around the question as opposed to answering it?
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Originally Posted by Maz
Terrific but you danced around the question as opposed to answering it?
I think it's relative. If you're a Zionist, it's moral and right. If you're a Palestinian it's abhorrent. If you're pro-Israel you accept expansion as necessary, if you're pro-Palestinian you protest against it. I understand this is called moral relativism. I support Israel.
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They could build upwards
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I think it's relative. If you're a Zionist, it's moral and right. If you're a Palestinian it's abhorrent. If you're pro-Israel you accept expansion as necessary, if you're pro-Palestinian you protest against it. I understand this is called moral relativism. I support Israel.
You may support Israel but as you're neither Israeli or Palestinian I ask you to answer the question based on what Jesus teaches you. Is it moral/right for Israel to build settlements on occupied land?
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Originally Posted by Maz
You may support Israel but as you're neither Israeli or Palestinian I ask you to answer the question based on what Jesus teaches you. Is it moral/right for Israel to build settlements on occupied land?
I'm looking at this as a secularist and as somebody that espouses market-led liberal democracy. The only cogent position is for me to support Israel.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I'm looking at this as a secularist and as somebody that espouses market-led liberal democracy. The only cogent position is for me to support Israel.
Look at it from the position Jesus Christ, your saviour would look at it from. You can't be one of his followers if you fail to adhere to his principles. How would he feel?

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Old 30 January 2015, 10:23 PM
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Israeli expansionism needs to be stopped, like 20 years ago.

How can this possibly be justified?

Where's the condemnation?

Makes me mad
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Originally Posted by Maz
Look at it from the position Jesus Christ, your savour would look at it from. You can't be one of his followers if you fail to adhere to his principles. How would he feel?
This is a massive theological question and good men disagree on the issue. What I do know is that if the Muslims and Jews adhered to the teachings of Jesus Christ, the conflict wouldn't exist.
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Israeli expansionism needs to be stopped, like 20 years ago.

How can this possibly be justified?

Where's the condemnation?

Makes me mad
Why? Israel is an oasis in the Middle East.
Old 30 January 2015, 10:30 PM
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The injustice doesn't exactly do much for world peace
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
The injustice doesn't exactly do much for world peace
I understand that, but Jews want their own land. The Muslims have a lot.
Old 30 January 2015, 10:39 PM
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Stop going on about the imaginary guy in the sky, bottom line is that Israhell are doing what the ***** done to them, stealing land and killing when it suits them! They are the main aggressor in that part of the World and there is no justification in their actions towards the Palestinians and other Arabs in that area of the World.

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Old 30 January 2015, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Israel needs to expand.
Lebensraum
Old 30 January 2015, 10:45 PM
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^~~~~Exactly
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Lebensraum
The ***** didn't last a strawberry season, the Jews are making it stick against massive odds. Perhaps the latter are superior.
Old 30 January 2015, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The ***** didn't last a strawberry season, the Jews are making it stick against massive odds. Perhaps the latter are superior.
Why bring the ***** into it

The term predates them after all
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Why bring the ***** into it

The term predates them after all
Sure, but the ***** popularised it.
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Originally Posted by Zuber
They are the main aggressor in that part of the World and there is no justification in their actions towards the Palestinians and other Arabs in that area of the World.
Main aggressor? Israel was attacked on the very night it came into existence, and for a supposed expansionist state is TINY.

Have you seen it on the map?

What baffles me is that people like Maz post this stuff but ignore what ISIS is doing to Christians in Iraq at the moment, which amounts to ethnic cleansing. More than a million of fled their homes and in the words of The Pentagon is "beyond anything we have seen before".

A more interesting issue is why people like Max have a boner for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Lebensraum
There are only a few fanatics who believe in the idea of a Greater Israel. The settlements in the West Bank take advantage of a different logic which is more about security and displacing a hostile population away from Israel's borders (and providing a buffer), a population which is unwanted by both Israel and the Arabs. Did you know that the Arab world gives the children of Palestinian refugees refugee status, not citizenship of whatever state they live in? The rich gulf states could have resettled them years ago.
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Main aggressor? Israel was attacked on the very night it came into existence, and for a supposed expansionist state is TINY.

Have you seen it on the map?

What baffles me is that people like Maz post this stuff but ignore what ISIS is doing to Christians in Iraq at the moment, which amounts to ethnic cleansing. More than a million of fled their homes and in the words of The Pentagon is "beyond anything we have seen before".

A more interesting issue is why people like Max have a boner for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Gerald Kaufman a Jew and former Zionist explains it better than I could.

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They could build upwards
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Main aggressor? Israel was attacked on the very night it came into existence, and for a supposed expansionist state is TINY.

Have you seen it on the map?

What baffles me is that people like Maz post this stuff but ignore what ISIS is doing to Christians in Iraq at the moment, which amounts to ethnic cleansing. More than a million of fled their homes and in the words of The Pentagon is "beyond anything we have seen before".

A more interesting issue is why people like Max have a boner for the Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Norman Finkelstein also explains it better than me.



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