Holocaust Memorial Day
27 January 2015, 01:43 PM
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Holocaust Memorial Day
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...on-latest.html
Big day. A message to the world against hatred.
Respect to the victims.
Big day. A message to the world against hatred.
Respect to the victims.
27 January 2015, 02:08 PM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...on-latest.html
Big day. A message to the world against hatred.
Respect to the victims.
Big day. A message to the world against hatred.
Respect to the victims.
27 January 2015, 02:18 PM
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Yes.
That documentary that was on the other night was harrowing
That documentary that was on the other night was harrowing
27 January 2015, 03:25 PM
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Yes, the trauma is so set among the ancient survivors that it makes you think how they've carried on. Hearing the account of a perpetrator officer's second generation relative (that officer was hanged till death afterwards) was also quite significant, as the likes of him carry the guilt for the sinful hate of their forefathers, with no fault of their own. The sense of isolation within their deep within must be so hard to bear.
27 January 2015, 03:53 PM
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27 January 2015, 04:51 PM
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Will never understand how certain people in history have managed to influence a whole nation into atrocities
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28 January 2015, 10:35 AM
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I have been to Dachau a few times as it is only 2 hours down the autobahn, interesting place if you have the time to walk round it completely and read all the info in the main building. You need to spend atleast 4 hours there if not all day.
28 January 2015, 11:12 AM
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Another survival tale:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-0...evenge/6051126
Well done, Eva. 
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-0...evenge/6051126
"When your life becomes about survival, you grow up instantly,"
"We comprehended that the time in Auschwitz was ending, but we didn't imagine liberation like that," Ms Slonim said, 70 years on from that day.
"Liberation for us meant we could meet our parents, then this didn't happen. Nobody came to pick us up, we didn't see anybody we knew."
"Liberation for us meant we could meet our parents, then this didn't happen. Nobody came to pick us up, we didn't see anybody we knew."
Her father's second piece of advice also stayed with Ms Slonim during her greatest trials.
"He said 'look every night at the stars and so will I. Talk to them, complain to them'. So I looked to them in the concentration camp and communicated with my father,"
"He said 'look every night at the stars and so will I. Talk to them, complain to them'. So I looked to them in the concentration camp and communicated with my father,"
28 January 2015, 11:30 AM
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A dark chapter, no doubt, but why is the Holocaust given so much attention when there were worse genocides committed in the 20th Century?
It's as if the others don't matter........
It's as if the others don't matter........
28 January 2015, 12:58 PM
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I have similar thoughts on the matter. What happened was horrific beyond imagination but what about all the other tragedies that have taken place?
Why don't we have similar remembrance paid to them?
28 January 2015, 01:10 PM
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My grandad was in the POW camp next door, there's some things he still wont talk about even today, but he was interviewed a while back by the US holocaust museum.
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn62053
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn62053
28 January 2015, 01:47 PM
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My grandad was in the POW camp next door, there's some things he still wont talk about even today, but he was interviewed a while back by the US holocaust museum.
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn62053
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn62053
He has a similar millitary history to your grandad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Avey
Great book by the way if anybody has not read it. I'm not a big reader but was hooked.
28 January 2015, 01:59 PM
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Have you read 'The Man who Broke in Auschwitz' by Denis Avey?
He has a similar millitary history to your grandad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Avey
Great book by the way if anybody has not read it. I'm not a big reader but was hooked.
He has a similar millitary history to your grandad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Avey
Great book by the way if anybody has not read it. I'm not a big reader but was hooked.
was a very very dark time for them
28 January 2015, 05:10 PM
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You both raise a good point.
Liam O'Ceallaigh, an American socialist political organiser and writer (basically, a socialist) also makes this point upon the fact that When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’. He’s talking about a mega genocide on the cusp, if not about the ones that fall bang in the middle of the 20th century:
http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010...called-hitler/
From the link above^ (note: by ‘him’, he’s talking about King Leopold number 2):
Most of us aren’t taught about him in school. We don’t hear about him in the media. He’s not part of the widely-repeated narrative of oppression (which includes things like the Holocaust during World War II). He’s part of a long history of colonialism, imperialism, slavery, and genocide in Africa that would clash with the social construction of a white supremacist narrative in our schools. It doesn’t fit neatly into school curriculums in a capitalist society. Making overtly racist remarks is (sometimes) frowned upon in ‘polite’ society; but it’s quite fine not to talk about genocide in Africa perpetrated by European capitalist monarchs………………
…………The victims of imperialism are made, like they usually are, invisible.
…………The victims of imperialism are made, like they usually are, invisible.
Food for thought.
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28 January 2015, 05:17 PM
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My grandad was in the POW camp next door, there's some things he still wont talk about even today, but he was interviewed a while back by the US holocaust museum.
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn62053
http://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn62053
Wow, your granddad is like a deep ocean, Tidgy. One very fortunate and a courageous man.
28 January 2015, 05:27 PM
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You both raise a good point.
Liam O'Ceallaigh, an American socialist political organiser and writer (basically, a socialist) also makes this point upon the fact that When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’. He’s talking about a mega genocide on the cusp, if not about the ones that fall bang in the middle of the 20th century:
http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010...called-hitler/
From the link above^ (note: by ‘him’, he’s talking about King Leopold number 2):
Why 20th century genocides are not being remembered as well as the Holocaust may be because of slightly different reasons, if not entirely different?
Food for thought.
Liam O'Ceallaigh, an American socialist political organiser and writer (basically, a socialist) also makes this point upon the fact that When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’. He’s talking about a mega genocide on the cusp, if not about the ones that fall bang in the middle of the 20th century:
http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010...called-hitler/
From the link above^ (note: by ‘him’, he’s talking about King Leopold number 2):
Why 20th century genocides are not being remembered as well as the Holocaust may be because of slightly different reasons, if not entirely different?
Food for thought.
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
28 January 2015, 05:31 PM
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At around a similar time to the genocide in Europe there was another one in India. The last one of several.
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
Exactly.
What that butterfly socialist is saying goes with this as well.
28 January 2015, 06:06 PM
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i dont think just how courageous will ever be truley known. he still doesnt talk about some of the traveling sections, but from the little he has I dont think alot fo the films that dipict tourture realy show the true horror and suffering
28 January 2015, 06:27 PM
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At around a similar time to the genocide in Europe there was another one in India. The last one of several.
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
That is exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about Maz. Forget a memorial it's actually been wiped from the history books.
We are regularly reminded about the holocaust (and rightly so) but other genocides seem to be forgotten, or should I say were never really acknowledged in the first place.
28 January 2015, 06:36 PM
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Tidgy - He would have been next to Auschwitz 3 known as Monowitz that is where the British POW camp was. If you go to visit Auschwitz. Only camps 1 and 2 are open to the public. Camp 3 has gone but it was right next to the IG Farben works and the evidence of that is still there. If you ever visit perhaps drop me a line before you do and I can point you in the right direction as to where those unvisited camp sites are. Map here
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Buna_Werke.png
Maz - Hitler had a great admiration of the British and the Americans. And saw their genocides as a blue print for his own. Especially - if the Americans could push west and do it then why couldn’t he do the same east against the ´´natives´´ there
He was using 18th/19th century methods in the 20th century in the last big grab for empire at the 11th hour.
Up until mid way through the war the German genocidal plan was driven by two motivations. One, the obvious racial motivation, with the Jewish people the first of many groups to be slaughtered. The second rarely mentioned motivation is. That for the Germans to have captured all the raw materials and land from the east to build an economic empire to equal america in the 20th century, having anyone left alive to feed would have been counter productive. The eventual genocidal death toll, if the Germans had prevailed is projected minimum 20million up to perhaps 30million.
(I am a full time military historian and this is one of the two areas of WW2 I specialise in)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Buna_Werke.png
Maz - Hitler had a great admiration of the British and the Americans. And saw their genocides as a blue print for his own. Especially - if the Americans could push west and do it then why couldn’t he do the same east against the ´´natives´´ there
He was using 18th/19th century methods in the 20th century in the last big grab for empire at the 11th hour.
Up until mid way through the war the German genocidal plan was driven by two motivations. One, the obvious racial motivation, with the Jewish people the first of many groups to be slaughtered. The second rarely mentioned motivation is. That for the Germans to have captured all the raw materials and land from the east to build an economic empire to equal america in the 20th century, having anyone left alive to feed would have been counter productive. The eventual genocidal death toll, if the Germans had prevailed is projected minimum 20million up to perhaps 30million.
(I am a full time military historian and this is one of the two areas of WW2 I specialise in)
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28 January 2015, 06:40 PM
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At around a similar time to the genocide in Europe there was another one in India. The last one of several.
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
The cause of the famine is very much disputed even by Scholars, from that you want to jump to labeling it a genocide for some reason. It's a leap no doubt and a stupid one.
Did you know there had always been famines in India and the British were the first to actually try and do anything to stop them at a governmental level?
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28 January 2015, 06:45 PM
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Did you know there had always been famines in India and the British were the first to actually try and do anything to stop them at a governmental level?