Bring Back Hanging
04 November 2014, 09:24 PM
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Bring Back Hanging
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
He planned to kill her, took a knife to school and stabbed her 7 times in the back while she was leaning over a classmates desk
He got life, but minimum of 20 years. IMO he's a waste of oxygen and should be hung
But today http://www.brighouseecho.co.uk/news/...gner-1-6933080
too long!!!! I wonder if the ‘youth justice’ campaigner would think the sentence was too long if he had killed his mum like that
He planned to kill her, took a knife to school and stabbed her 7 times in the back while she was leaning over a classmates desk
He got life, but minimum of 20 years. IMO he's a waste of oxygen and should be hung
But today http://www.brighouseecho.co.uk/news/...gner-1-6933080
too long!!!! I wonder if the ‘youth justice’ campaigner would think the sentence was too long if he had killed his mum like that
05 November 2014, 01:19 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
He planned to kill her, took a knife to school and stabbed her 7 times in the back while she was leaning over a classmates desk
He got life, but minimum of 20 years. IMO he's a waste of oxygen and should be hung
But today http://www.brighouseecho.co.uk/news/...gner-1-6933080
too long!!!! I wonder if the ‘youth justice’ campaigner would think the sentence was too long if he had killed his mum like that
He planned to kill her, took a knife to school and stabbed her 7 times in the back while she was leaning over a classmates desk
He got life, but minimum of 20 years. IMO he's a waste of oxygen and should be hung
But today http://www.brighouseecho.co.uk/news/...gner-1-6933080
too long!!!! I wonder if the ‘youth justice’ campaigner would think the sentence was too long if he had killed his mum like that
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05 November 2014, 04:37 PM
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It's difficult not to want the death penalty in cases like this but I am against it on the basis that mistakes can be made, and I don't think the state should be taking people's lives.
I disagree with the person saying that 20 years is too long though, and I think he should rot in prison until his dying day.
I disagree with the person saying that 20 years is too long though, and I think he should rot in prison until his dying day.
05 November 2014, 06:28 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29879865
He planned to kill her, took a knife to school and stabbed her 7 times in the back while she was leaning over a classmates desk
He got life, but minimum of 20 years. IMO he's a waste of oxygen and should be hung
But today http://www.brighouseecho.co.uk/news/...gner-1-6933080
too long!!!! I wonder if the ‘youth justice’ campaigner would think the sentence was too long if he had killed his mum like that
He planned to kill her, took a knife to school and stabbed her 7 times in the back while she was leaning over a classmates desk
He got life, but minimum of 20 years. IMO he's a waste of oxygen and should be hung
But today http://www.brighouseecho.co.uk/news/...gner-1-6933080
too long!!!! I wonder if the ‘youth justice’ campaigner would think the sentence was too long if he had killed his mum like that
I'm with you on this one, he clearly will never be any good to anyone, get rid IMHO.
05 November 2014, 08:19 PM
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Yes I can see this argument so perhaps their should be a two tier step to get to that point. First the conventional test for the murder charge, "beyond reasonable doubt" and then a second stricter test for the DP, say "beyond any doubt" (or equivalent). Only if they met both tests could it go ahead
05 November 2014, 08:31 PM
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Yes I can see this argument so perhaps their should be a two tier step to get to that point. First the conventional test for the murder charge, "beyond reasonable doubt" and then a second stricter test for the DP, say "beyond any doubt" (or equivalent). Only if they met both tests could it go ahead
What do you think about amputation for theft, Warren?
05 November 2014, 08:31 PM
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Yes I can see this argument so perhaps their should be a two tier step to get to that point. First the conventional test for the murder charge, "beyond reasonable doubt" and then a second stricter test for the DP, say "beyond any doubt" (or equivalent). Only if they met both tests could it go ahead
05 November 2014, 09:02 PM
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It remains barbaric. A cultural relativist might argue that if state sanctioned killing is acceptable in this country then why should it be deemed unacceptable for Iranians, Saudis and Pakistanis to kill homosexuals, adulterers, blasphemers and apostates?
What do you think about amputation for theft, Warren?
What do you think about amputation for theft, Warren?
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05 November 2014, 09:10 PM
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on more than one occasion he bragged on facebook that he would kill her one day. he fantasized about killing her and bragged about it afterwards.
he was 15 when he did it, now 16.
when you were 15 did you know what was right and what was wrong?
or did you go round killing your teachers too? or did you think it was just a step too far?
I don't class a 15 year old as a 'child', a child is 12 or younger IMO
So, in 20 years time (if he get's released) you would be happy with him living next door to you and your family? what happens if you pissed him off? would you think 'it's fine, he was only a child when he killed someone last time, now he's over 16 he will know better' OR would you be a little bit worried and scared incase you did annoy him?
he was 15 when he did it, now 16.
when you were 15 did you know what was right and what was wrong?
or did you go round killing your teachers too? or did you think it was just a step too far?
I don't class a 15 year old as a 'child', a child is 12 or younger IMO
So, in 20 years time (if he get's released) you would be happy with him living next door to you and your family? what happens if you pissed him off? would you think 'it's fine, he was only a child when he killed someone last time, now he's over 16 he will know better' OR would you be a little bit worried and scared incase you did annoy him?
05 November 2014, 09:12 PM
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on more than one occasion he bragged on facebook that he would kill her one day. he fantasized about killing her and bragged about it afterwards.
he was 15 when he did it, now 16.
when you were 15 did you know what was right and what was wrong?
or did you go round killing your teachers too? or did you think it was just a step too far?
I don't class a 15 year old as a 'child', a child is 12 or younger IMO
So, in 20 years time (if he get's released) you would be happy with him living next door to you and your family? what happens if you pissed him off? would you think 'it's fine, he was only a child when he killed someone last time, now he's over 16 he will know better' OR would you be a little bit worried and scared incase you did annoy him?
he was 15 when he did it, now 16.
when you were 15 did you know what was right and what was wrong?
or did you go round killing your teachers too? or did you think it was just a step too far?
I don't class a 15 year old as a 'child', a child is 12 or younger IMO
So, in 20 years time (if he get's released) you would be happy with him living next door to you and your family? what happens if you pissed him off? would you think 'it's fine, he was only a child when he killed someone last time, now he's over 16 he will know better' OR would you be a little bit worried and scared incase you did annoy him?
What I care about is what is right or wrong. Killing is wrong, killing a minor is even worse. This isn't about him, it's about us!
05 November 2014, 09:22 PM
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Yes I can see this argument so perhaps their should be a two tier step to get to that point. First the conventional test for the murder charge, "beyond reasonable doubt" and then a second stricter test for the DP, say "beyond any doubt" (or equivalent). Only if they met both tests could it go ahead
Conviction for any crime is based on 'beyond any doubt'. If you start messing with the judicial process by introducing arbitrary bollox like your 'two tier system', then I'm afraid you're opening a huge can of worms.
05 November 2014, 09:25 PM
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He seems very keen to kill people
05 November 2014, 09:26 PM
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I agree with it. if people know that it is the punishment for stealing is having your hand chopped off, then nobody can complain if they get caught stealing
the UK punishments are rubbish and a waste of time. too many do gooder's saying 'rehab, rehab, rehab'. well, obviously it's not working.
what about this idea - people that are inside for between 2 and 5 years, teach them a trade (bricky, chippy, sparky, plumber, roofer, etc) and get them building new prisons. when they are released they will have a trade to be able to get a job.
then, people that go to court can be given big sentences for crimes. this will deter some people and others that don't care will be locked up for years anyway
the UK punishments are rubbish and a waste of time. too many do gooder's saying 'rehab, rehab, rehab'. well, obviously it's not working.
what about this idea - people that are inside for between 2 and 5 years, teach them a trade (bricky, chippy, sparky, plumber, roofer, etc) and get them building new prisons. when they are released they will have a trade to be able to get a job.
then, people that go to court can be given big sentences for crimes. this will deter some people and others that don't care will be locked up for years anyway
05 November 2014, 09:27 PM
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I agree with it. if people know that it is the punishment for stealing is having your hand chopped off, then nobody can complain if they get caught stealing
the UK punishments are rubbish and a waste of time. too many do gooder's saying 'rehab, rehab, rehab'. well, obviously it's not working.
what about this idea - people that are inside for between 2 and 5 years, teach them a trade (bricky, chippy, sparky, plumber, roofer, etc) and get them building new prisons. when they are released they will have a trade to be able to get a job.
then, people that go to court can be given big sentences for crimes. this will deter some people and others that don't care will be locked up for years anyway
the UK punishments are rubbish and a waste of time. too many do gooder's saying 'rehab, rehab, rehab'. well, obviously it's not working.
what about this idea - people that are inside for between 2 and 5 years, teach them a trade (bricky, chippy, sparky, plumber, roofer, etc) and get them building new prisons. when they are released they will have a trade to be able to get a job.
then, people that go to court can be given big sentences for crimes. this will deter some people and others that don't care will be locked up for years anyway
05 November 2014, 09:38 PM
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I didn't intend to be underhand, my apologies if you felt I was. Can I press you on the question of amputation for theft, what's your position on it? Additionally, would you advocate public execution and what method of execution would you prefer?
05 November 2014, 09:47 PM
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IMO an eye for an eye. he decided to (not accidental) end somebody's life, he doesn't deserve to live
who's saying he won't do it again?
what about the 2 lads that killed Jamie Bulger? one has been done a couple of times since he was 'rehabilitated' for child sex offenses (touching kids and ?,000 of indecent images) did youth custody and rehabilitation work?
I think some people are just born evil
