Lessons will not be learnt/learned *
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Lessons will not be learnt/learned *
Cameron warns of possible IS threat to UK
We're in this mess because we so called 'went after the terrorists' last time.
FFS can someone not tell him that this approach does not work!!!!
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Originally Posted by Cameron
We need a firm security response, whether that is military action to go after the terrorists, international co-operation on intelligence and counter-terrorism or uncompromising action against terrorists at home
FFS can someone not tell him that this approach does not work!!!!
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Cameron warns of possible IS threat to UK
We're in this mess because we so called 'went after the terrorists' last time.
FFS can someone not tell him that this approach does not work!!!!
We're in this mess because we so called 'went after the terrorists' last time.
FFS can someone not tell him that this approach does not work!!!!
This is another reason I'll be going with a Yes vote, hopefully our lot won't go sticking their noses into other's countries affairs.
17 August 2014, 05:50 AM
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Sounds like a yes from me too
17 August 2014, 08:20 AM
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Sounds like appeasement to me, history is littered with failed attempts at this approach.
17 August 2014, 08:27 AM
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Whilst I agree somewhat with your sentiments, isn't it that some of these so called Jihadists (IS in particular) just want the world to be an Islamic state ruled by Sharia.
Whether any country has given them a reason or not they still want to take over?
Whilst I'm anti religion / anti war, I really think they need to be stopped.
Whether any country has given them a reason or not they still want to take over?
Whilst I'm anti religion / anti war, I really think they need to be stopped.
17 August 2014, 10:40 AM
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Whilst I agree somewhat with your sentiments, isn't it that some of these so called Jihadists (IS in particular) just want the world to be an Islamic state ruled by Sharia.
Whether any country has given them a reason or not they still want to take over?
Whilst I'm anti religion / anti war, I really think they need to be stopped.
Whether any country has given them a reason or not they still want to take over?
Whilst I'm anti religion / anti war, I really think they need to be stopped.
17 August 2014, 10:51 AM
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It's a threat/war against humanity,one religion to rule all.
And any of the 400 who are leaving the UK to go and take sides and are identified,shouldn't be allowed to return to the country,passports gone and family deported.
It's about time the politicians stopped arsing around with the softly approach and being all PC,human rights,started putting some stick about..
And any of the 400 who are leaving the UK to go and take sides and are identified,shouldn't be allowed to return to the country,passports gone and family deported.
It's about time the politicians stopped arsing around with the softly approach and being all PC,human rights,started putting some stick about..
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17 August 2014, 10:57 AM
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You know what.... I wrestled with that very dilemma when writing it in the early hours, but couldn't decide which was right.
In the cold light of day I think you are right as it is like the verb to dream, learnt is the past tense and learned the past participle.
Off to change it.
In the cold light of day I think you are right as it is like the verb to dream, learnt is the past tense and learned the past participle.
Off to change it.
17 August 2014, 11:06 AM
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Edit the post and click the Go advanced button then you can change the title.
Still not 100% sure on the learnt/learned thing as I think American English may also be involved somewhere. Will be interesting to see it written in the press and see what they use, not that that is any barometer of grammar these days of course.
Still not 100% sure on the learnt/learned thing as I think American English may also be involved somewhere. Will be interesting to see it written in the press and see what they use, not that that is any barometer of grammar these days of course.
17 August 2014, 11:15 AM
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17 August 2014, 11:46 AM
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You know what.... I wrestled with that very dilemma when writing it in the early hours, but couldn't decide which was right.
In the cold light of day I think you are right as it is like the verb to dream, learnt is the past tense and learned the past participle.
Off to change it.
In the cold light of day I think you are right as it is like the verb to dream, learnt is the past tense and learned the past participle.
Off to change it.
Here endeth the lesson
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I'm also in the IS must be stopped camp.
17 August 2014, 12:00 PM
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Nope, you have these exactly back to front. A past participle is the component of a verb that might be used in the form "he has <verb(ed)>", or as is in your title, "it will be <verb(ed)>". A straight past tense would be "he <verb(ed)>". A nice unambiguous example is the verb "to do", where the past tense and past participle are completely and obviously different ("they did", "it will be done").
Here endeth the lesson.
Here endeth the lesson
.Thinking of dream which is a similar verb.
Past tense
Last week dreamt I was in space.
vs.
Past participle
I have often dreamed of being a racing car driver.
The question is which is in use in the title... and I think it probably should be lessons will be learned as we are in the present or even future tense.
Anyway have edited for both parties
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Back to the subject matter. I think we all agree that IS must be stopped. The issue is how. Remember how at one time it was Saddam must be stopped. Well this is happening now because we had no credible plan as to what would happen after Saddam was removed militarily from power hence the current situation.
The steaming in with troops, planes and tanks approach may tickle Cameron's fancy, but I think a much more cohesive and united approach needs to be undertaken by a large number of nations and not just the US and UK as usual. The UN needs to play its part properly for once too and not just stand on the sidelines bleating about how awful it all is like they are doing now.
The steaming in with troops, planes and tanks approach may tickle Cameron's fancy, but I think a much more cohesive and united approach needs to be undertaken by a large number of nations and not just the US and UK as usual. The UN needs to play its part properly for once too and not just stand on the sidelines bleating about how awful it all is like they are doing now.
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Back to the subject matter. I think we all agree that IS must be stopped. The issue is how. Remember how at one time it was Saddam must be stopped. Well this is happening now because we had no credible plan as to what would happen after Saddam was removed militarily from power hence the current situation.
The steaming in with troops, planes and tanks approach may tickle Cameron's fancy, but I think a much more cohesive and united approach needs to be undertaken by a large number of nations and not just the US and UK as usual. The UN needs to play its part properly for once too and not just stand on the sidelines bleating about how awful it all is like they are doing now.
The steaming in with troops, planes and tanks approach may tickle Cameron's fancy, but I think a much more cohesive and united approach needs to be undertaken by a large number of nations and not just the US and UK as usual. The UN needs to play its part properly for once too and not just stand on the sidelines bleating about how awful it all is like they are doing now.
I don't think the West (ok, UK and US) will ever learn (see what I did there?
). UN has to take the lead, but of course it will not 
17 August 2014, 01:12 PM
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Agreed, any action taken against IS has to be by a broad multinational group I.e. the UN. It can't simply be the UK/US going after them because we don't like the way things panned out.
17 August 2014, 02:04 PM
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Yeah I just took a straw poll on historical media articles and they are about 75/25 leaning towards lessons will be learned
Thinking of dream which is a similar verb.
Past tense
Last week dreamt I was in space.
vs.
Past participle
I have often dreamed of being a racing car driver.
The question is which is in use in the title... and I think it probably should be lessons will be learned as we are in the present or even future tense.
Anyway have edited for both parties
Thinking of dream which is a similar verb.
Past tense
Last week dreamt I was in space.
vs.
Past participle
I have often dreamed of being a racing car driver.
The question is which is in use in the title... and I think it probably should be lessons will be learned as we are in the present or even future tense.
Anyway have edited for both parties
Correct explanation here, but if you're a purist (or a non-native student of the language who wants to know how to speak and write it properly
), this should tell you all you need to know:http://www.e-anglais.com/ressources/to_dream.php
17 August 2014, 02:17 PM
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Back to the subject matter. I think we all agree that IS must be stopped. The issue is how. Remember how at one time it was Saddam must be stopped. Well this is happening now because we had no credible plan as to what would happen after Saddam was removed militarily from power hence the current situation.
The steaming in with troops, planes and tanks approach may tickle Cameron's fancy, but I think a much more cohesive and united approach needs to be undertaken by a large number of nations and not just the US and UK as usual. The UN needs to play its part properly for once too and not just stand on the sidelines bleating about how awful it all is like they are doing now.
The steaming in with troops, planes and tanks approach may tickle Cameron's fancy, but I think a much more cohesive and united approach needs to be undertaken by a large number of nations and not just the US and UK as usual. The UN needs to play its part properly for once too and not just stand on the sidelines bleating about how awful it all is like they are doing now.
17 August 2014, 03:26 PM
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Correct explanation here, but if you're a purist (or a non-native student of the language who wants to know how to speak and write it properly), this should tell you all you need to know:
http://www.e-anglais.com/ressources/to_dream.php
Correct explanation here, but if you're a purist (or a non-native student of the language who wants to know how to speak and write it properly
), this should tell you all you need to know:http://www.e-anglais.com/ressources/to_dream.php
These are alternative forms of the past tense and past participle of the verb learn. ‘Learnt’ is more common in British English, and ‘learned’ in American English.
17 August 2014, 09:51 PM
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And what about sorting out the Islamist nutters at home? What do you propose for them? And these... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rotesters.html
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Still wrong
Correct explanation here, but if you're a purist (or a non-native student of the language who wants to know how to speak and write it properly), this should tell you all you need to know:
http://www.e-anglais.com/ressources/to_dream.php
Correct explanation here, but if you're a purist (or a non-native student of the language who wants to know how to speak and write it properly
), this should tell you all you need to know:http://www.e-anglais.com/ressources/to_dream.php
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We are talking about mass genocide here. The innocent slaughter of men, women and children. There's a photo going around social media of a decapitated 3 year old girl at the hands of an ISIS fanatic. They are not interested in talking, they are barbaric and see human life as very cheap.
If not military force, then what? Diplomacy? With religious nutters that hack of the heads of children? Sorry, but bombs and bullets are the only way. Imagine that was your own 3yr old daughter, mother, father, brother? Sanction them or eradicate them? This is very different to the original wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Saddam never went around hacking the heads off children and nor did the Taliban, this is ten steps beyond that.
As for Scottish independence, bookies odds of 1/8 for a No and 9/2 for a Yes pretty much means its dead in the water. Scots don't want a breakaway
If not military force, then what? Diplomacy? With religious nutters that hack of the heads of children? Sorry, but bombs and bullets are the only way. Imagine that was your own 3yr old daughter, mother, father, brother? Sanction them or eradicate them? This is very different to the original wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Saddam never went around hacking the heads off children and nor did the Taliban, this is ten steps beyond that.
As for Scottish independence, bookies odds of 1/8 for a No and 9/2 for a Yes pretty much means its dead in the water. Scots don't want a breakaway
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We are talking about mass genocide here. The innocent slaughter of men, women and children. There's a photo going around social media of a decapitated 3 year old girl at the hands of an ISIS fanatic. They are not interested in talking, they are barbaric and see human life as very cheap.
If not military force, then what? Diplomacy? With religious nutters that hack of the heads of children? Sorry, but bombs and bullets are the only way. Imagine that was your own 3yr old daughter, mother, father, brother? Sanction them or eradicate them? This is very different to the original wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Saddam never went around hacking the heads off children and nor did the Taliban, this is ten steps beyond that.
As for Scottish independence, bookies odds of 1/8 for a No and 9/2 for a Yes pretty much means its dead in the water. Scots don't want a breakaway
If not military force, then what? Diplomacy? With religious nutters that hack of the heads of children? Sorry, but bombs and bullets are the only way. Imagine that was your own 3yr old daughter, mother, father, brother? Sanction them or eradicate them? This is very different to the original wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Saddam never went around hacking the heads off children and nor did the Taliban, this is ten steps beyond that.
As for Scottish independence, bookies odds of 1/8 for a No and 9/2 for a Yes pretty much means its dead in the water. Scots don't want a breakaway
18 August 2014, 03:49 PM
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On Scotland, I don't think the iScots could, even if they wanted to. It's been suggested that if Alex Salmond doesn't take his share of the national debt, then he iScotland doesn't get to keep the military assets of the Army and Navy, no guns, tanks, fighter jets and ships since the spend on this is part of the debt. iScotland's armed forces would essentially start from scratch or use old and out of date military equipment.
18 August 2014, 05:05 PM
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