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Old 19 February 2013, 08:41 PM
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Have a look at the pic below and you will see 3 nipples/ports which are all on the top of a header tank.



The port which is just above where the expansion cap is located is for the feed and return from the coolant overflow bottle (which I will call port A), the similarly sized port which is to the right is for the return from the radiator (which I will call port B).

The largest port which is on the right is the coolant return from the turbocharger, which to be honest is not important as it really has no part in my question.

Now if the hoses that were connected were to ports A & B were reversed so that the coolant return from the radiator was trying to enter via the overflow feed/return port and obviously the overflow feed/return was via the coolant return port what would be the potential outcome?

I must just add that this thread has nothing to do with any work that is or has been carried out to my car by Prodriverules (Ryan) as this is a theoretical question, which may or may not relate to a previous problem I encountered with my car.

Sorry if this may seem like a waste of time but I am interested to see what outcomes are envisaged and a fresh perspective on this problem.
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cant see why all going into same tank

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cant see why all going into same tank
Shows what you know then Tubs
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Shows what you know then Tubs
lol it was a guess but as ty has told me at coombe he had engine issues caused by wrong piping im guessing its an issue

so ill revise to yes it will blow the hg
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Originally Posted by tubbytommy
cant see why all going into same tank
Have a look at the postion of the overflow feed/return port in relation to where the expansion cap would sit.

Originally Posted by prodriverules
Shows what you know then Tubs
We aren't all as gifted as you.
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the pipe from port A to the overflow bottle only opens when the pressure is too great for the cap to retain

port B is part of the actual flow of the water system.............

have had this a couple of times when people have mixed up the connections after a radiator/cambelt change and generally they lose water and give similiar symptonms to a head gasket problem (of which there isn't obviously)

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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
Have a look at the postion of the overflow feed/return port in relation to where the expansion cap would sit.



We aren't all as gifted as you.


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the pipe from port A to the overflow bottle only opens when the pressure is too great for the cap to retain

port B is part of the actual flow of the water system.............

have had this a couple of times when people have mixed up the connections after a radiator/cambelt change and generally they lose water and give similiar symptonms to a head gasket problem (of which there isn't obviously)

alyn
Cheers Alyn,that is exactly what I said would happen to Ty

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no worries, you said you'd pay me £100 if i typed that out for you, did it do the job
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no worries, you said you'd pay me £100 if i typed that out for you, did it do the job

I'll send it over now mate
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
the pipe from port A to the overflow bottle only opens when the pressure is too great for the cap to retain

port B is part of the actual flow of the water system.............

have had this a couple of times when people have mixed up the connections after a radiator/cambelt change and generally they lose water and give similiar symptonms to a head gasket problem (of which there isn't obviously)

alyn
Thanks Alyn, so if the car was driven for an extended period of time say for 150 miles of mixed driving say across Mid Wales and the Epynt Ranges what kind of problem(s) could you see happening?
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potential loss of water resulting if driven long enough it will/would overheat.........
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
potential loss of water resulting if driven long enough it will/would overheat.........
Thanks Alyn, that is what I thought as well.

The car in this theoretical situation I would estimate would possibly require new head gaskets, heads to be skimmed as well plus the block faces skimmed due to deformation.

It is all theory, as of course this never actually happened.
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all depends on how hot your "theoretical" car was allowed to get........
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Originally Posted by AS Performance
all depends on how hot your "theoretical" car was allowed to get........
In theory of course, when the car was pulled over the overflow resevoir sounded like a coffee percolator and when it had cooled down as soon as any boost was given it would spew it's coolant into the overflow resevoir again.

When running with no boost whatsoever the coolant was circulating normally but as soon as any boost or load on the engine the temperature would shoot up and the overflow resevoir would be filled up.

To my limited knowledge that suggest cylinder gases entering the waterways and pressurising the coolant, plus obviously head gasket failure along with the deformed cylinder heads and the block deck.
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