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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 04:07 PM
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is this ok, when driving it does what i expect (17psi on WOT) 0 psi on light, its the -20 at idle ?? that ok
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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 04:13 PM
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yep
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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 04:22 PM
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There's vacuum in the manifold when the throttle's shut, I believe. So it would appear to be ok m8.

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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 04:26 PM
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I believe it is physically impossible to be at lower than -14.7 PSI unless you are living below sea level or the air pressure is particularly high. Complete vacuum would be -1 atmosphere relative pressure.

I find -20 to be an error.
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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 04:30 PM
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mine shows same readingd on my98, infact i believe ive seen lower

the rest of the boost readings show as expected

if there is a problem it is one without symptons, so far?

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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 05:02 PM
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Well you can't have less pressure than no absolute pressure = total vacuum = -1 atmosphere relative (which is how a boost gauge usually reads). The gauge is in error if it reads under -15 in normal circumstances.
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Old Apr 4, 2002 | 05:57 PM
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John is right
but its at -20 at tick over (in vacume) sets at -1 when engin off
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 05:59 AM
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Think you'll find scale changes for negative values

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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 09:36 AM
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its the same scale.

catflap, I get exactly the same as you -20/-25 tickover, as soon as throttle touched up to about -1.

autometer gauge?

I dont think there is a problem?, what readings are everyone else seeing?


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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 09:52 AM
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On my Autometer gauge I get -20/-22

I think the air filter/intake does have an impact - I added a bellmouth to the end of the 80mm air ducting on my car and the vacuum has reduced from -25 at idle.

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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 10:01 AM
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So what's that all about then? Is it reading in PSI? How can you have more vacuum than a complete vacuum? Sorry to be a turd but I just don't get it.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 10:10 AM
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John,
Must admit, I dont get it either!, but it does seem to be the norm for autometer gauges?

I assume this is not the same on your gauges?, what gauges have you got? (not that that should make a difference?)

Im sure someone can shed some light on the subject.

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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 10:43 AM
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My Autometer gauge reads -20 don't know whether the vacuum is in PSi though.

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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 11:29 AM
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The vacuum on my gauge is marked as upto 30 "In. Hg" which I think is "inches of mercury" ?

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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 11:34 AM
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Apparently multiplying the "In. Hg" x 0.4912 gives psi...

So -20 In Hg would be about -10psi if I understand correctly...

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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 11:42 AM
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That explains it then. What sort of idiot would put a different scale on for vacuum compared to boost? As some women would say, "Obviously a man did that". I know some of the EBCs do this too. Very odd.

Mine is in PSI and reads about -8 at idle from memory.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 12:43 PM
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I thought normal atmospheric pressure on this plannet was around 14psi. Guages measure from zero to make things less complicated for us, so if it shows -10psi there is actually positive pressure (4psi) but becase we have a denser atmosphere it counts as negative relative pressure.

My physics classes were a long time ago but I think it goes something like that.
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Old Apr 5, 2002 | 03:35 PM
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It is deff a vacume, i removed the gauge and started the engin and it sucks, sucks pretty hard in fact, lol my mate stuck it to his cheek and shouted "LOOK RY, IM IN THE MATRIX" as the pipe stuck to his cheek.
No ****!!! of course there's a vacuum.

It's not all that clever to pull the pipe off as a general rule cos you're sucking unfiltered air into your engine. Admittedly not much of it though.
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LOL @ Catflap

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Old Apr 6, 2002 | 03:55 PM
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NA engines have their air pulled into engine & with forced induction it's pushed into engine.....when you're on boost. Prior to that there'll always be a vacuum.

The different scale is necessary - imagine getting, say, 1 bar of negative manifold pressure. The engine would stall well before this.

The gauge can actually be used to tune your inlet system to remove restrictions - try placing a piece of cloth over your air filter...you'll see the gauge go off the scale. Less is better

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Old Apr 6, 2002 | 05:37 PM
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Minus .64cm/kg at (hot) idle as shown on HKS evc iv.

Dont mean a lot to me, I only take an interest @ 000 and above

Cheers all, MD.
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Old May 4, 2002 | 04:26 PM
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It is deff a vacume, i removed the gauge and started the engin and it sucks, sucks pretty hard in fact, lol my mate stuck it to his cheek and shouted "LOOK RY, IM IN THE MATRIX" as the pipe stuck to his cheek.

But there is a definate vacume there(at tick over)

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