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Old 08 December 2007, 03:44 PM
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Default Dyno today-Misfire,injectors maxing out,couldn't run full boost !

Finally got my car on the dyno at Powerstation today after being mapped by Jolly Green Monster and i'm disappointed to say the least.

Had a bad misfire trying to run 1.55 bar,injectors were maxing out very early,fuelling was all over the place.

Managed a run at 1.3 bar,still a misfire and injectors running at 93% duty producing 335bhp and 280lb/ft

On the road,it doesn't misfire running 1.5 bar but around 5000rpm the check engine light starts flashing.

Full spec is in my profile.

I'll post the dyno graph up shortly.

Any ideas what could be causing this as I want to get it sorted asap ?
Old 08 December 2007, 03:49 PM
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Check engine is probably the knock count being high and activating the CEL. As to why the CEL, it could be numerous reasons, get Simon to check the car over, as he mapped it.



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Old 08 December 2007, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 340BHP-WRX
Finally got my car on the dyno at Powerstation today after being mapped by Jolly Green Monster and i'm disappointed to say the least.

Had a bad misfire trying to run 1.55 bar,injectors were maxing out very early,fuelling was all over the place.

Managed a run at 1.3 bar,still a misfire and injectors running at 93% duty producing 335bhp and 280lb/ft

On the road,it doesn't misfire running 1.5 bar but around 5000rpm the check engine light starts flashing.

Full spec is in my profile.

I'll post the dyno graph up shortly.

Any ideas what could be causing this as I want to get it sorted asap ?
As I said earlier the PFC will flash cell for maxed out injectors and also for knock being over the set amount.
Old 08 December 2007, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Check engine is probably the knock count being high and activating the CEL. As to why the CEL, it could be numerous reasons, get Simon to check the car over, as he mapped it.



Andy
Knock is only in the 30's. Simon set the knock warning to 60 so it's not that.

Simon's been upto me twice now in the last couple of weeks !

It's strange that he checked the car over on Wednesday evening and everything was good and now it isn't !
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Originally Posted by cossie01
As I said earlier the PFC will flash cell for maxed out injectors and also for knock being over the set amount.
Tried it on the road,no misfire at all but around 5000rpm in 5th the cel starts flashing.
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It's very strange that the injectors were hitting 100%+ duty cycle as such a low rpm.

The missing on low boost was prob because the rollers were causing more load on the car than you would get on the road.

But if you went to boot it up cleeve hill or leckhampton hill or something, then i'd think it will miss then.

Try it, and if it's missing, regap the plugs.

The same thing is prob true with the injectors, if it was mapped down the valley, which is pretty much flat, then it will be fine, but try it on high boost up the hill and watch the duty cycle.

Sure he said the fueling was prob only fluctuating as it was missing.
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Originally Posted by cossie01
It's very strange that the injectors were hitting 100%+ duty cycle as such a low rpm.

The missing on low boost was prob because the rollers were causing more load on the car than you would get on the road.

But if you went to boot it up cleeve hill or leckhampton hill or something, then i'd think it will miss then.

Try it, and if it's missing, regap the plugs.

The same thing is prob true with the injectors, if it was mapped down the valley, which is pretty much flat, then it will be fine, but try it on high boost up the hill and watch the duty cycle.

Sure he said the fueling was prob only fluctuating as it was missing.

Tried it uphill as Andy@Powerstation suggested and there was no misfire at all

Just the cel flashing when it gets to around 5000rpm !
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the cel on pfc iirc will only flash because of knock or maxed injectors.
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My car has a 20g and 740 injectors and runs 1.55bar. IIRC they are about 75-80% max boost
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when the cel flashes, doesnt that mean the power fc is dectecting knock?
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been beaten to it in my last post!

am running 550 with my 20g, and they show around 90-95 % ish max with 1.5 bar boost
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Are you running an AVCR boost controler that has been set up for different boost at different rpm's ?
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Originally Posted by cossie01
the cel on pfc iirc will only flash because of knock or maxed injectors.
JGM switched on all the warnings such as airflow,knock,inj duty etc.

It's definately not knock as it's only showing readings in the 30's and the warning is set at 60.

Andy said there was no knock when it was on the dyno.
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Originally Posted by renno rannes
Are you running an AVCR boost controler that has been set up for different boost at different rpm's ?
No. I have a Power fc with Apexi boost controller.
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If you have all warnings on, then you need to go and see the peaks of everything and workout what it causing the flashing cel
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Originally Posted by cossie01
If you have all warnings on, then you need to go and see the peaks of everything and workout what it causing the flashing cel
All peaks look fine except injector duty as I don't know what Simon set the warning level to !
Old 08 December 2007, 04:18 PM
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not something daft like the vacuum hose off the fuel pressure regulator causing it to lean? - did they remove this to get a boost reading from the car?
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What was the injector peak at 5000rpm when the cel started to flash ?
Old 08 December 2007, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
not something daft like the vacuum hose off the fuel pressure regulator causing it to lean? - did they remove this to get a boost reading from the car?
Not as far as I know mate.
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Originally Posted by dynamix
not something daft like the vacuum hose off the fuel pressure regulator causing it to lean? - did they remove this to get a boost reading from the car?
It wasn't lean, the fueling was just going nuts
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Originally Posted by cossie01
What was the injector peak at 5000rpm when the cel started to flash ?
85% which is what it was when mapped.
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findout why it was missing first, and then go from there
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That misfire will affect both the lambda readings and the inj duty...

Fix the misfire and you will probably fix everything else.
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Originally Posted by cossie01
It wasn't lean, the fueling was just going nuts
nuts rich, nuts lean ??

can you post the dyno printouts of boost versus afr?
Old 08 December 2007, 04:29 PM
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nope, dyno didn't trace it.
Manually read off the MoTeC wideband.

Unless of course he was logging it at the time
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
nope, dyno didn't trace it.
Manually read off the MoTeC wideband.

Unless of course he was logging it at the time
No I didn't log it,too many things to think about at once !

I don't know if one of the coil packs could be breaking down or the plugs aren't gapped correctly.

Anyone know what PFR7B's should be gapped to running the kind of boost that I am ?
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Originally Posted by 340BHP-WRX
No. I have a Power fc with Apexi boost controller.
Yeah the AVCR is an Apexi boost controller. Its possible that the ECU can get confused when it goes on a dyno if its been set up a certain way by the mapper. Best talk so JGM and see what he thinks.

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I use 0.7mm never had a problem at that.
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Originally Posted by renno rannes
Yeah the AVCR is an Apexi boost controller. Its possible that the ECU can get confused when it goes on a dyno if its been set up a certain way by the mapper. Best talk so JGM and see what he thinks.

Renno
I'm waiting for JGM to get back to me and see what he thinks.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
I use 0.7mm never had a problem at that.
That's what I gapped mine to so don't think that's the problem.


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