Steven82

Standard M3 Vs Sti8 TSL333

Striaght line ---

Rolling start 2nd gear ---- about evens until i had to change gear eariler then him which then gave him a slight lead..... third more or less even in terms of power, after fouth gear he was off!

Rolling start 3rd gear -- third gear more or less even, however as before i had to change first which gave him a lead ....once his car got into 4th though it left me.


LOL

I got 2k, which isnt much i kn!---- I'd like to kick his *** however (no offence buddie )! Give me some advice as to what you guys think i should do to my car next!-- perfer to get things done at TSL if possible!!

Cheers

rabskyline

he will have more horses than you so depending on what you have already(not much) i would go for full decatted zost,downpipe,filter and apexi power fc . and then he will be history !!!

DanTerzo

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If u want tsl to do the work, why not take ur 2grand to them and ask them to make ur car quicker!

Ur friends M3 is very nice, maybe u shud take him down sum twisties, u'll beat him then

banny sti

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A 20G turbo from Andy F, decat up pipe and downpipe and a tek 3 remap from Andy F. That should see you around the 380bhp mark at around 2k.

Banny

alanbell

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Nice car them new M3,s Ive a mate with one very fast too , I think you will need a very well sorted scoob to beat it , >> But good luck, Alan.

Steven82

Christ..... TSL seem out of my budget!!!! LOL just from looking at the website here are some prices;

TSL Chargecooler kit just over 1500 inc vat and fitting
TSL MOTORSPORT | Subaru Saab Mitsubishi | parts | repair | servicing | performance tuning | UK

Turbocharger - Garrett GT28 1170 +VAT
TSL MOTORSPORT | Subaru Saab Mitsubishi | parts | repair | servicing | performance tuning | UK


Headers and up pipe --- guess around 600


Ive just smash my budget aint i!!! Quality stuff though!!! ive always been happy with my TSL333 pack!!

davedipster

The 333'd sti is no quicker than a ppp'd sti on the road in my experience, Go for a reliable 400hp, I would be interested to see the prices.

TonyBurns

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So are we talking about the E46 343bhp M3 here?
Never had a problem with my "standard" JDM STi Spec C not one beat me on the road, then again even though I had less bhp my car had considerably more torque which helps alot (318bhp 356lbs of torque, factory map)
For a UK car to beat one, your going to be looking at 360bhp, lots of torque, so really the best thing to do is sell your STi (no version 8 btw, if it were then it would be a bug eye but they stopped using versions after 6, mine would have been a v9 as it was a 2003 model, latest models would be a v13, but only jap ones uk never had a v1/2/3/4/5/6 )
After selling your STi go and invest in a nice JDM model, much nicer, slightly lighter, closer 5/6 gear ratio's more torque, better power delivery, that should cover your 2k extra

Tony

Steven82

Selling my car that ive only had for a while seems alittle drastic ...... i still have faith in her yet!!

My next car is goner be the RS4--- by the time i can afford that i should hav hit my late 20's if all gones to plan!! Hopefully my girlfriend doesnt mess up my plans by wanting to get married or something silly like that LOL!!

Ideally i would like to be running a realiable 400bhp--- only 70bhp more then currently --- how hard can it be right!! lol

Andy F is an option then ....... any others>???

Varboy

v max in 4th are the kind of speeds that your Sti is as aerodynamic as a concrete block.

you are going to have to push through a lot of bhp to make up for this disadvantage

as above you are looking at a 20g or something even more interesting

rossyboy

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Am I the only one that got a sore head trying to work this through. No offence Tony

jasonius

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Never had a problem against E46 M3's personally.

My 05 WRX is only around (an albeit genuine) 340x333, however it's best part of 100kgs lighter than an STI..!

One thought, try stripping some weight from your STI..? (those oem 17's weight a ton..!)

RLE

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Copied this from one of my replies to a memeber in the West Yorkshire section. I had the mods done funnily enough after an encounter with a new M3 and I too had the TSL 333 pack. Did not like the 20G turbo.............was slow to spool on the A roads so swapped to 18G. Andy Forrest, Bob Rawle and Richard Bulmer have all mapped my car. Personally preferred Bob and he's a little closer for you but all excellent and capable mappers.


>>>>>>>>Mines just about there (392/350) 53 plate sti..........attached costs in brackets to give you some idea.

TD05 18G turbo (new £920.00)
Revolution 3" exhaust including backbox (new £285)
Harvey Smith Up-pipe and Headers ported and wrapped (£400.00)
RCM 3" downpipe (new £215)
Turbo blanket (£80)
Forge recirculating DV (s/h £75)
RCM 80mm Induction Kit with Trumpet (new £250)
3 port boost solenoid (s/h £45)
Uprated fuel pump (already on car but budget £100)
Remap by Bob Rawle (£400 - budget more if it's your first map-license fee etc)
Think thats all....................

Additional bits to cope with the power:

AST suspension (£1000.00)
Whiteline ARB; ALK; Alloy Drop links (£300.00)
Knocklink (£100.00)

Factor in some labour costs-mine came in at less than £500.00 all in throughout.

Both Andy F and Bob Rawle agreed TMIC and standard injectors were suitable for 400bhp so I stuck with these rather than going down the FMIC route. The 18G turbo is as Ali rightly points out better for mid range and spool but you lose some power at the top end. Out on the road this is obviously not an issue for me and the 18G is certainly suited to my driving style.

Running 1.45 by the way.

The Rig

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christ,that chargecooler kit is alot !!!

im using one from a legacy !! alot cheaper

P20SPD

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M3 looks very similar to mine. IMO You will need 350/340 on a classic, 375/350 on a WRX and 400/350 on a Sti to stay with an E46 M3. Anymore, and you may have the edge!

IMO You wont get to 400 for £2k.

TonyBurns

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Its a little confusing because people call the UK bugeye a v7, a blob a v8 and a hawk a v9, where as a bug in japan was a v7 and 8, a 9 was a blob and you dont see a hawk until a v12, no real comparison and damn confusing as you cant cross reference between 2 different markets, hence why they dropped the numbering but confuses everyone when they call a uk a v8 as your not sure if its a bug or a blob so its easier just to stick with type UK MYxx

Tony

gillyz20let

i have never seen a wheel as light as the standard 17" (speedline) they are super light.

now my old std 17" enkeis on my my05 sti weigh more than the 18" inovit redlines i now have fitted.


i see it as v6 was last classic shape, v7 bugeye,v8blobeye,v9facelift blob, v10 hawkeye.

morto15

I have an E46 M3 (well wifes drives it all the time) but i also have Sti type Ra (classic) with mods M3 does 1/4 mile in late 13's Ra does it in late 12's with only de-cat and Apexi the Subaru feels and goes a lot quicker due to the weight of the M3.

Steven82

From a stand still start too 60 i think my scooby may have an edge over an M3 because the M3 weights a ton!! but from a rolling start the weight is much less of an issue as the momentum has already been built up! after 60 however i think the M3 comes into its element --- not many other cars can take it from 60 upwards!

banny sti

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In an sti 3 with a remap on the standard vf23 turbo and tmic, from 60 to *** in 3rd gear i pulled 2 car lengths on an E46 M3.
With my new spec i dont even need to bother, as its forgone conclusion!

Banny

RLE

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Isn't the torque on the M3 less than 290? Even the new V8 has less than impressive figures.

Still think it will be my next car though

New_scooby_04

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Late 260s if memory serves mate.

The M3 vs Scooby thing has been done to death. It's worth looking at Dr Bank's observations about relative performance; he's had both. My own experience - can only comment on my experience of putting a classic and M3 side by side a 320bhp classic should have the legs on a E6 M3. Most likely due to the big weight difference and superior torque. I can't comment on what happens when you get to Autobahn speeds though - I don't know, but I'd venture a guess that the Scooby wouldn't fare so well owning to the aerodynamics.

Ns04

Pete

Thing is, don`t forget Subarus are made basically for b roads, they`re not real top end cars, plus the gearing of the M3 is so different, take an M3 round the twisties then see who comes out on top


I`ve never been a top speed freak, give me a quick car to 120-130 anyday...

Jay m A

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I think you're a turbo, headers and remap away from at least matching the M3

For example, pop along to Zen's website

Td05/20g turbo
tubular headers / uppipe
remap

should cost you about £1600 + fitting + VAT

Remember with the TSL 333 you've already got the 3" sport cat exhaust, fuel pump, uprated filter and paid for the ECUtek license.

The above should take you to at least 380HP

Steven82

Thanks for that!!!
Whats the web address for Zen's website mate?

GazTheHat

As has been said:

TD05 18g or 20g see AndyF:
AndyForrestPerformance

Headers & up-pipe, see Zen P:
Zen Performance - Performance upgrade solutions for Japanese cars

Additional extras:
NGK7 plugs (£50), 3 port Boost solenoid (£150)

Then another remap. Will give you 370 (18g) or 385 (20g).

You could as RLE said, go for some coilover suspension for £1000, but that's not going to help your straight line speed.

Steven82

Thanks guys that’s really helpful!! Zen's would be really convenient for me as I’m in Northampton quite alot-- was thinking if I were to do it I would get the whole lot done there..... turbo, headers+ up pipe and remap.

Are they a good bunch?? Anyone had any personally experiences with them??

Hmmmmm 18G or 20G turbo ….. that is the question!! Tough one!!

GazTheHat

Aye, that old age question. Been done 100 times, have a search and a good long read. There's graphs to show power comparisons etc.

(I opted for the 18g)

Apparently:
The 18g is less lagier, spools quicker, but loses out to the 20g at the top end of the range. I didn't want to sacrifice the low down pull for the sake of 10-15bhp. But you might wanna and generally rev the nuts of your motor.

HowieG

Are you writing from beyond the grave?

P20SPD

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Liz and Paul at Zen will sort you out with what you need, especially as they suit your locality. You wont go wrong.