knackered my scoob
12 March 2006, 07:25 PM
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knackered my scoob
last night i was on my way home from a meal,and my car was holding back.at high speed.(on my private track of course)
then i had to go to norwich this morning,it started ok and seemed to be running sweet enough.then,when i over took 2 slow sunday driver's it was holding back again
and i smelt this like burning smell.and there was alot of blue smoke coming from the exhaust.so i quickly slowed down and stopped.
when i opened the bonnet i the first thing i noticed was that the dip stick had popped out and there was oil everywhere.and it seemed to me that it was running on 3 cylinders
so i dragged it home slowly.(2 miles max)
WHAT HAVE I DONE?
then i had to go to norwich this morning,it started ok and seemed to be running sweet enough.then,when i over took 2 slow sunday driver's it was holding back again
and i smelt this like burning smell.and there was alot of blue smoke coming from the exhaust.so i quickly slowed down and stopped. when i opened the bonnet i the first thing i noticed was that the dip stick had popped out and there was oil everywhere.and it seemed to me that it was running on 3 cylinders
so i dragged it home slowly.(2 miles max)
WHAT HAVE I DONE?
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13 March 2006, 09:39 AM
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2 grand + VAT done here - finished ready to use. Properly rebuilt, Genuine Subaru parts, no B/sh*t Ready in 3 weeks. It's detted a piston crown off and the debris will have wrecked everything that moves below the piston line. The heads'll be full of crap too but they can be rescued.
Hows that sound??
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Hows that sound??
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13 March 2006, 01:52 PM
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A few possibilities:
Low fuel in the tank causing aeriation and thus poor fuel mix at the injectors.
Low Octane fuel in the tank.
Failing fuel pump not supplying enough at pressure or volume. I.E.poor fuel mix.
MAF
Lambda
High road speed causing heat soak into top mount intercooler and then poor fuel mix again.
OR Any combination of the above.
David APi
Low fuel in the tank causing aeriation and thus poor fuel mix at the injectors.
Low Octane fuel in the tank.
Failing fuel pump not supplying enough at pressure or volume. I.E.poor fuel mix.
MAF
Lambda
High road speed causing heat soak into top mount intercooler and then poor fuel mix again.
OR Any combination of the above.
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13 March 2006, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by struv
yeh thats just a rebuild wot about fixing whatever caused it to det a crown off ???
>Low fuel in the tank causing aeriation and thus poor fuel mix at the injectors.
Nowt to fix- just don't let the fuel needle bend around the red!!
>Low Octane fuel in the tank.
Nowt to fix- Use a -petrol station with a high turnover and use SUL as a minium.
>Failing fuel pump not supplying enough at pressure or volume. I.E.poor fuel mix.
About £120 for an uprated 255l then half hour or so to fit
>MAF
About £80 quid for a new MAF cartridge
>Lambda
About £120
High road speed causing heat soak into top mount intercooler and then poor fuel mix again.
Slow down....it's free!!
If you want warning of any of the above in the future I'd suggest investing in a Knocklink about £200 fitted.
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13 March 2006, 05:53 PM
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cheerz then ladz.
think it will be sitting on my drive then for a while..or sold as non-runner
sod paying 2 odd grand on another engine
think it will be sitting on my drive then for a while..or sold as non-runner
sod paying 2 odd grand on another engine
13 March 2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by leewrx
last night i was on my way home from a meal,and my car was holding back.at high speed.(on my private track of course)
then i had to go to norwich this morning,it started ok and seemed to be running sweet enough.then,when i over took 2 slow sunday driver's it was holding back again http://scoobycity.co.uk/phpBB2/image...s/icon_cry.gif and i smelt this like burning smell.and there was alot of blue smoke coming from the exhaust.so i quickly slowed down and stopped.
when i opened the bonnet i the first thing i noticed was that the dip stick had popped out and there was oil everywhere.and it seemed to me that it was running on 3 cylinders http://scoobycity.co.uk/phpBB2/image...s/icon_sad.gif
so i dragged it home slowly.(2 miles max)
WHAT HAVE I DONE?
then i had to go to norwich this morning,it started ok and seemed to be running sweet enough.then,when i over took 2 slow sunday driver's it was holding back again http://scoobycity.co.uk/phpBB2/image...s/icon_cry.gif and i smelt this like burning smell.and there was alot of blue smoke coming from the exhaust.so i quickly slowed down and stopped.
when i opened the bonnet i the first thing i noticed was that the dip stick had popped out and there was oil everywhere.and it seemed to me that it was running on 3 cylinders http://scoobycity.co.uk/phpBB2/image...s/icon_sad.gif
so i dragged it home slowly.(2 miles max)
WHAT HAVE I DONE?
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13 March 2006, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by leewrx
cheerz then ladz.
think it will be sitting on my drive then for a while..or sold as non-runner
sod paying 2 odd grand on another engine
think it will be sitting on my drive then for a while..or sold as non-runner
sod paying 2 odd grand on another engine
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14 March 2006, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by [Davey]
£2k??? You can get an engine for a few hundred and stick it in yourself! Or re-build it, its a learning curve but the EJ20 block is very simplistic!
14 March 2006, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by [Davey]
£2k??? You can get an engine for a few hundred and stick it in yourself! Or re-build it, its a learning curve but the EJ20 block is very simplistic!
They then come back on here complaining that the car then runs like ****e or melts another piston/drops its bottom end about a week after the job.
Similar story with replacement engines. "Sti V engine Guvnor' yeah, got a minter* for you here, £800"
*coughs* Subaru Legacy cams.....
Pay to get it done right first time, or pay twice, your call!
Give it to someone like David and you'll get the job done right first time- could save you a lot of heartache and expense.
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14 March 2006, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by [Davey]
£2k??? You can get an engine for a few hundred and stick it in yourself! Or re-build it, its a learning curve but the EJ20 block is very simplistic!
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14 March 2006, 11:35 AM
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Don't forget these guys started somewhere to! They weren't just BORN with the knowledge to rebuild an engine, and most people have more competence than the monkeys that work at authorised garages.
As for "blowing up the new engine 10 minutes later", alot of people just throw another block in without actually working out why the last one blew up! i.e. other duff components, or generally driving like a dick.
And believing that there is some kind of almighty power offered by specialists is just being gullible. I'm not saying that any of the these specialists may be monkeys I am just saying if you have common sense, time, patience and the tools why cant you just re-build/replace the engine yourself?
As for "blowing up the new engine 10 minutes later", alot of people just throw another block in without actually working out why the last one blew up! i.e. other duff components, or generally driving like a dick.
And believing that there is some kind of almighty power offered by specialists is just being gullible. I'm not saying that any of the these specialists may be monkeys I am just saying if you have common sense, time, patience and the tools why cant you just re-build/replace the engine yourself?
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Originally Posted by [Davey]
Don't forget these guys started somewhere to! They weren't just BORN with the knowledge to rebuild an engine, and most people have more competence than the monkeys that work at authorised garages.
As for "blowing up the new engine 10 minutes later", alot of people just throw another block in without actually working out why the last one blew up! i.e. other duff components, or generally driving like a dick.
And believing that there is some kind of almighty power offered by specialists is just being gullible. I'm not saying that any of the these specialists may be monkeys I am just saying if you have common sense, time, patience and the tools why cant you just re-build/replace the engine yourself?
As for "blowing up the new engine 10 minutes later", alot of people just throw another block in without actually working out why the last one blew up! i.e. other duff components, or generally driving like a dick.
And believing that there is some kind of almighty power offered by specialists is just being gullible. I'm not saying that any of the these specialists may be monkeys I am just saying if you have common sense, time, patience and the tools why cant you just re-build/replace the engine yourself?
I wonder how long it would take the average Joe to do an engine rebuild properly -assuming that's not askng too much- If you work out how much you'd have to pay them for their time (lost earnings etc), I bet it would work out more.
It may be gullible to think that specialists have some almightly power, but its equally gulible to think that everyone will be equally capable of working on a scooby engine rebuild. It IS important to find a good specialist, a lot of people claim to know about Imprezas: I took mine to a garage for an MOT once and was assured over the phone that they knew about high performance 4WD cars including the Scooby. When I got it there, the first thing they wanted to do was put it the 2wd brake rollers. I pointed out the problem with this and just got a blank look. Needless to say, the car was MOT'd there.
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14 March 2006, 12:10 PM
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The problem is when your talking about a £2000 specialist engine re-build for a car that isn't worth much more than £2000 its self it starts getting a bit pointless!
I can understand people who are looking to gain extra performance going to specialists who know how to build "power safe" engines, but merely replacing an engine or re-building to standard tolerances doesn't take a rocket scientist and its a great what of learning. Like I said the Impreza lump is very simplistic compared to many other high performance cars and a good place to start.
I can understand people who are looking to gain extra performance going to specialists who know how to build "power safe" engines, but merely replacing an engine or re-building to standard tolerances doesn't take a rocket scientist and its a great what of learning. Like I said the Impreza lump is very simplistic compared to many other high performance cars and a good place to start.
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
Of course, people like David would have started somewhere too, but I'd suggest that a rebuild was not the first task he undertook- the difference is people like him are trained and been doing it for decades and you KNOW will do a professional job - Also if a legit outfit does the job and something goes wrong, there is a warranty offered.
I wonder how long it would take the average Joe to do an engine rebuild properly -assuming that's not askng too much- If you work out how much you'd have to pay them for their time (lost earnings etc), I bet it would work out more.
It may be gullible to think that specialists have some almightly power, but its equally gulible to think that everyone will be equally capable of working on a scooby engine rebuild. It IS important to find a good specialist, a lot of people claim to know about Imprezas: I took mine to a garage for an MOT once and was assured over the phone that they knew about high performance 4WD cars including the Scooby. When I got it there, the first thing they wanted to do was put it the 2wd brake rollers. I pointed out the problem with this and just got a blank look. Needless to say, the car was MOT'd there.
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I wonder how long it would take the average Joe to do an engine rebuild properly -assuming that's not askng too much- If you work out how much you'd have to pay them for their time (lost earnings etc), I bet it would work out more.
It may be gullible to think that specialists have some almightly power, but its equally gulible to think that everyone will be equally capable of working on a scooby engine rebuild. It IS important to find a good specialist, a lot of people claim to know about Imprezas: I took mine to a garage for an MOT once and was assured over the phone that they knew about high performance 4WD cars including the Scooby. When I got it there, the first thing they wanted to do was put it the 2wd brake rollers. I pointed out the problem with this and just got a blank look. Needless to say, the car was MOT'd there.
Ns04
Thanks NS,
I was trained - a long time ago, agreed - at a Ford main dealership that was actually owned by Ford. I started my appenticeship in the unit shop rebuilding engines, gearboxes and axles. I was trained in both practical and theoretical aspects of that repair work. I was sent to the Ford training college at Langley plant near Slough to do every specialist course that was offered all the way up to RS Escorts. Lotus twin cam and anything ekse that wasn't mainstream.
My training is comprehensive to say the least. I pass on the necessary bits to my guys here who build engines and gearboxes for just about any sort of Japanese car.
Even so we get problems that have us pondering how can that happen? or what shall we do for this guy and his engine?.
There are a number of ' engine builders ' out there who have nothing like my training and they manage OK. Then there are some others of course who don't come up to scratch by a long way, too.
The point surely is that if you wish to do your own thing, fine, l suggest a Subaru engine is not the best starting point for a complete novice.
I am happy to offer advice to anyone attempting the job - you just need to call me.
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14 March 2006, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by [Davey]
The problem is when your talking about a £2000 specialist engine re-build for a car that isn't worth much more than £2000 its self it starts getting a bit pointless!
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Maybe I should add the proviso of 'unless you were a competent mechanic (or knew one who worked for Beer and nuts!!!')
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