avalaugh

ive just booked my 95 wrx in for a remap @ TDI in thurrock in late feb.

anybody else been there ? they seem very helpful and advised i get a hks fcon SZ ecu instead of an apexi fc ?

any suggestions on these too or any others that may be good for me !!!

running td05 turbo
hks frount mount
full hayward & scott decat
stainless headers
induction
greddy pro-fec II boost controller running 17 psi
warlbough fuel pump

+ lots of handling mods ?

had it over 2 yrs now,its only used as a track/weekend toy

what kind of power will it be running in the end ?

ZEN Performance

Did you get any advice as to WHY the HKS will be better/better value than the PowerFC?

A power FC, with hand controller, fitted and mapped can cost only £880 including vat, how does that compare to the HKS unit?

Paul

avalaugh

was getting the power fc + commander from flat4racing for £550 all in,

the hks fcon from TDI will be £690+vat but they said it would take longer to setup the power fc on the rollers

4hrs for power fc and 2 hrs fcon, so about the same price in the end,they just said the fcon was better as it was a piggy unit that keeps all original sensors etc ?

this part of modding is new to me,ive only ever bolted on bits myself so im entering a grey area ?

any advise much appreciated ?

R19KET

I would think VERY carefully, before commiting to the HKS ecu, because you will then be limited to getting it mapped by only HKS dealers, of which very few have a good reputation for tuning Subaru's.

I doubt £550.00 "all in" includes the mapping, so you will need to arrange that.

I would recommend you stick to someone on this BBS, who is well known for mapping these cars successfully.

As you're in Kent, Paul at Zen would be a good guy to speak to.


Mark.

avalaugh

yes sorry £550 inc vat & delivary not mapping

i am in kent only 30mins from TDI and sumo power,both of which are HKS supplier's and mappers i beleive ?
zen performance is over 2 hrs away from me ?

are you guys suggesting not to use TDI,or just tread carefully with the HKS stuff ?

jameswrx

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Not sure Sumo are mappers FWIW

Personally I'd get the power FC, not only are mappers more common but you can get the hand controller which you can use as an excellent monitoring device. Also handy if you ever want to pull a couple of degrees of timing if you have to use 95 octane etc etc

avalaugh

personnaly i wouldnt have a clue how to adjust/set-up ?

i like reliability,just want to get in and drive,regards to fuel i only ever use optimax and the car does so little mileage,filling with 95 ron would never happen ?

thanks this info is very useful keep ideas coming !!!!

Tim W

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Both...but the other way round



If you're worried about the distance you need to travel have you considered talking to Simon (JGM) or to Xtreme Scoobies?

jameswrx

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That's fine, I was just pointing out its flexibility. It's actually a very easy thing to do and when you turn the ign off and back on it resets.

To be honest, the hand controller alone is enough reason for me to have one. You can monitor injector duty cycle, knock level etc which is bloody helpful (modify an engine and you need to mointor)

avalaugh

thanks james

TDI mentioned that it was just more difficult to do the mapping on a small screen,rather than plug in there lap top to do the HKS fcon ?

im getting the impression that no one knows much about TDI's history with scoobies.

could it be undiscovered genious or a mistake waiting to happen ? they did seem knowledgeable but i certainly am not so hard to judge really.there web site is very informative

http://www.tdi-plc.com/japcars2.html

R19KET

I don't think the "search facility" is working at the moment, but when it is, do a seach for "TDI", that will give you an idea of peoples experiences with them, good, and bad.

I only know of one guy who had his car mapped by TDI, but that was several years ago, so it wouldn't be fair to go on that.

To be honest, I don't recall anyone on these forums talking about mapping TDI has done for them, but maybe they're just keeping quiet about it.


I would choose someone with a proven track record, and SN is the place to do that.


Mark.

ZEN Performance

Perhaps that is a reflection on TDIs facilities rather than the features of the power FC. Those of us that map the PowerFC properly use a laptop, and can access the full range of parameters. If you want to go further with your mods, you will find the HKS severly limiting. The resale value of the HKS unit will be very low, the powerFC will reach £400 regularly on scoobynet, regardless of what deals people can get from abroad (you normally hav eot wait weeks and weeks).

Paul

avalaugh

indeed,SN is superb for info so keep any ideas and suggestions comin

i have paid a £50 deposit when i booked at TDI,should of done research first ?

looks like im gonna be scoobynet's guinea pig as i dont want to waste my deposit

ZEN Performance

I hope they do a good job for you.

Jay m A

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PFC fitted and mapped £880, possibly cheaper

HKS £690 + VAT is £811.
2 hours mapping about £140 + VAT is £164

So £100 more expensive.

I would guess that if you swallowed the deposit, used one of the reccommended people on here, you would be £50 better off and have a car mapped by experts in Impreza tuning.

Question: How many TDI tuned imprezas do any of the many regulars on here know of?

avalaugh

there were 2 impreza's in there today ?

didnt really pay much attention though,one white one grey

i find it hard to beleive that a company which has been featured in mags eg BANZAI jan 06 edition,plus others can be bad ? i remember reading about zenperformance too! seem very impressive too,i just like the idea of going to a local tuner and becomin familiar/friends with the business ?

i know experiance is priceless but there workshop and facilities seem very impresive,must be doing something right or they wouldnt be in business ?

not by any means stageing an agument just stating my observations

scooby-woo

IMHO the Most important thing is do your research don’t just go with the first or most convenient “Glossy” option. It will probably end up costing you more in the long run. With that said you will always be better going to a specific Subaru tuner who has tried and tested the many options available. My vote is with the Apexi and would be prepared to travel far more than 200 miles for piece of mind.

Neil

Jolly Green Monster

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Ask the question.. how many people run a HKS F-con? and how many run Apexi? in another thread!

Simon

banny sti

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Another vote for a the apexi, had mine mapped by Simon (JGM). Both my brothers who own impreza's are very impressed with the way the car drives and how smooth and progressive the power is. Also the car has better fuel consumption too!

WRX_Rich

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i know experiance is priceless but there workshop and facilities seem very impresive,must be doing something right or they wouldnt be in business ?

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you don't get much more local than your computer, if you are not happy with the work TDI do, putting a message on here will get you little notice

get a renound subaru tuner and slag them off on this board and you will hit more than a few nerves and a fixed car if the complaint is valid

I am a compleate novice but you have at least 4 well known people on this thread who really know what they are talking about, all with a excellent reputation

its your call

R19KET

1) I don't know that you'd be a guinea pig, but if so, would you want to be ?

2) I would suggest that a reputable company would refund your money.

Your car, your money, your choice.

Just want to say that I don't sell Apexi's, or mapping.

Mark.

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

They only recommend HKS, because they are approved distributors.
I have heard that the HKS F-Con is a pig to set up. So every time the map needed a tweak, you'd be back up to TDI!
Good salesmanship!

Tim W

iTrader: (1)

A few years back when I was looking around at alternatives to my Link ecu I had a chat with one HKS specialist about the F-Con range, when I asked about getting hold of the software to be able to make my own adjustments I was told that HKS would only sell it to approved tuners and that even then it was 1500 quid!

Needless to say I didn't consider the HKS ecu any further...now I have a Pectel, which is overkill

Incidentally where is Mr. 'my mate at TDi mapped my standard car to produce eleventybillion horsepower with the HKS F-Con Pro Pro Pro Pro, and you all smell of poo because you don't believe me...' anyway?

alloy

TDI North Division in Warrington installed the HKS Ecu and EVC boost control on my bug eye sti with a 3inch decat and HKS SSQV and achieved 298whp I personally think it's a great bit of kit, although mappers are few and far between. TDI as a company have performed many crazy conversions over their years and I feel confident to trust them

crazybri

298whp!?!? r u sure on that!!??

alloy

It's what the print out says . Going to G-force in Feb so should have an independent judgement on it then. It sounds a very optimistic figure, but i have no reason to doubt their rolling road and the lads were sound

avalaugh

still gonna consider it ive got till the 18th of feb to cancel my appointment anyway,so keep all comments comin please ive taken all so far on board and this has been very helpful