removal of carbon canister
20 September 2004, 08:15 PM
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removal of carbon canister
Any advantage to this, except the gaining of some space (and possible airflow from back of radiator / FMIC) ?
I'm considering it, to make the creation/fitting of a cold air box around the induction kit easier ....
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I'm considering it, to make the creation/fitting of a cold air box around the induction kit easier ....
Ta,
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21 September 2004, 01:26 PM
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removed mine..
unplugged it and blocked the pipe that goes to the inlet..
That left me with two pipes, one is a vent from the tank and one a vent from the manifold area.. T'd them together and vented them into the chassis rail where the canister did.
No problems.. other have drilled the petrol filler cap to allow air in and blocked the vent pipes but I have not needed to.
unplugged it and blocked the pipe that goes to the inlet..
That left me with two pipes, one is a vent from the tank and one a vent from the manifold area.. T'd them together and vented them into the chassis rail where the canister did.
No problems.. other have drilled the petrol filler cap to allow air in and blocked the vent pipes but I have not needed to.
21 September 2004, 02:46 PM
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Nice stroke of luck this thread. Was wondering the same myself as I have a power steering reservoire to re-locate to that position.
PS Hi Harvey FMIC's still going strong. Fit & forget
Gerry
PS Hi Harvey FMIC's still going strong. Fit & forget
Gerry
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21 September 2004, 04:25 PM
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Ah Houghton, bought a certain alloy manufacturers re-location kit??? (I was the the prototype/idea behind this if you have!) 
Had no probs at all with doing this mod.
Had no probs at all with doing this mod.
21 September 2004, 04:50 PM
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Ah Houghton, bought a certain alloy manufacturers re-location kit??? (I was the the prototype/idea behind this if you have!)
Had no probs at all with doing this mod.
Had no probs at all with doing this mod.
Subaru manufacture, I'm told I'm not proud
21 September 2004, 04:55 PM
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Ok bud. Worthwhile mod IMHO if you wanna run larger Inlet pipe to turbo.
I know Harvey did the same with his wagon, used the STI7 plastic tank in that location.
I know Harvey did the same with his wagon, used the STI7 plastic tank in that location.
21 September 2004, 05:15 PM
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Sorry- You've failed miserably to confuse me... Is the power steering res. relocation necessary for a larger intake pipe (e.g. the MRT one ?)
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21 September 2004, 05:37 PM
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Not necessary, but if you make up a custom one for peanuts (around £50) as opposed to £200 odd for Samco/MRT etc replacement, then it gives you more room to play with, and stops the pipe being 'Squashed' on MY98-00 versions
PIC FOR EXAMPLE
PIC FOR EXAMPLE
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22 September 2004, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PICKLE
Yeah, but you need to junk the Carbon cannister to free up the room to do it JGM 
LOL
Still thread related.....sort of!
LOL Still thread related.....sort of!
22 September 2004, 02:02 PM
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Well, Inlet is on my 'to do soonish' list, so Carbon Canister Goodbyes are on the horizon.... I'll do a search on the Power Steering Res. (Esp. as mines a 98),
Thanks,
Mark
Thanks,
Mark
22 September 2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jolly Green Monster
now you are talking about power steering res relocation.. just to confuse everyone?
just commenting that this is a useful thread. Now having spent £200 on a Samco inlet, Pickle says it can be done for £50 
22 September 2004, 04:24 PM
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As we've turned this into a 'how to fit a better inlet pipe' thread... (I Don't mind - its answered my original question.....) - Would a new map be advisable if the inlet pipe is altered, given the new flow speed/volume etc ?
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22 September 2004, 06:38 PM
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Right, Sorry if this has taken this thread off topic but I will answer the Ques asked!.
I bought a 90' bend piece of Samco (these can be had in one size, or reducing in size) cut a little off the end. Attatched to the turbo inlet, then attatched the alloy pipe I had made to flow under the Inlet manifold, then attatched the rest of the 90' bend Samco to the other end! Job done. Don't have details of the Alloy pipe as mine was a prototype made up by SPEC-R, although I know it was 63mm diammeter. They have the dimensions, and can make these up if you wish using my example. Samco can be had for around £20-25.
PS. I had to remove the Inlet manifold to fit this, but I had to remove it for other reasons anyway, and I think you still need to for some of the other applications too!. Also, the breather return 'T's, and Re-circ D/V return need to be taken into consideration, but vented mine to catch tank anyway!.
I bought a 90' bend piece of Samco (these can be had in one size, or reducing in size) cut a little off the end. Attatched to the turbo inlet, then attatched the alloy pipe I had made to flow under the Inlet manifold, then attatched the rest of the 90' bend Samco to the other end! Job done. Don't have details of the Alloy pipe as mine was a prototype made up by SPEC-R, although I know it was 63mm diammeter. They have the dimensions, and can make these up if you wish using my example. Samco can be had for around £20-25.
PS. I had to remove the Inlet manifold to fit this, but I had to remove it for other reasons anyway, and I think you still need to for some of the other applications too!. Also, the breather return 'T's, and Re-circ D/V return need to be taken into consideration, but vented mine to catch tank anyway!.
22 September 2004, 06:49 PM
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Removed canister earlier from MY97 JDM. Ten minute job if you have the tee to hand.
2 pipes on top of canister one below. remove top pipes (one retained with spring clip), canister pulls straight up from bracket, freeing lower pipe.
Pipes are different sizes, top ones are 6mm and 8mm bore, lower one is 8mm bore. I had a 'long legged' unequal tee which just reached them all. You may have to extend the lower pipe to reach the other two. A 6mm equal tee could be used with clips on the two larger pipes.
Hope this helps.
Gerry
2 pipes on top of canister one below. remove top pipes (one retained with spring clip), canister pulls straight up from bracket, freeing lower pipe.
Pipes are different sizes, top ones are 6mm and 8mm bore, lower one is 8mm bore. I had a 'long legged' unequal tee which just reached them all. You may have to extend the lower pipe to reach the other two. A 6mm equal tee could be used with clips on the two larger pipes.
Hope this helps.
Gerry
22 September 2004, 07:17 PM
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so that basically leaves the pipework doing its original job, but without the canister....(might have to ditch one of the pipes... see next para)
Inlet Pipe - I've already done breathers and FMIC, so DV is off that - BUT, there are other pipes.. One from Canister pipework.. another to the bypass system (tickover control) - and a small 'boost' type pipe (I need to track this back - too dark now !)
I'll take a proper look at the weekend -
Ta,
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Inlet Pipe - I've already done breathers and FMIC, so DV is off that - BUT, there are other pipes.. One from Canister pipework.. another to the bypass system (tickover control) - and a small 'boost' type pipe (I need to track this back - too dark now !)
I'll take a proper look at the weekend -
Ta,
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25 September 2004, 08:06 PM
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hmm - I've removed mine tonight, by joining up the hoses.. BUT, it has 4 connections....
3 on top - 1 below
I'm sure the bottom one is the feed off - which goes into the chassis (by the wing)
The top three are as follows:
1 tees off the 'inlet manifold->MAP sensor' pipe
the other 2 appear to come from under the inlet manifold - maybe from the fuel system ? (One of these appears to have a valve in line and has hose clips on).
The pipe from the MAP sensor actually tees just before the canister and feeds (via a plastic disc device - maybe a one way valve ?) to the inlet hose, just after the MAF..
Ideally I'd like to tidy all this hosework up - so I'm trying to find out what it all is (!)
Anyhow - that's another post....
3 on top - 1 below
I'm sure the bottom one is the feed off - which goes into the chassis (by the wing)
The top three are as follows:
1 tees off the 'inlet manifold->MAP sensor' pipe
the other 2 appear to come from under the inlet manifold - maybe from the fuel system ? (One of these appears to have a valve in line and has hose clips on).
The pipe from the MAP sensor actually tees just before the canister and feeds (via a plastic disc device - maybe a one way valve ?) to the inlet hose, just after the MAF..
Ideally I'd like to tidy all this hosework up - so I'm trying to find out what it all is (!)
Anyhow - that's another post....
26 September 2004, 06:35 PM
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Mine has 3 pipes on the top of the canister as well.
Any light shed on what to do with the three pipes would be grateful. For now i have tee'd together the two larger pipes (on top of the canister) and put the tee to the pipe in the chassis leg. There is still a connection to the intake elbow. The remaining small pipe i have plugged.
Is this correct???
Cheers
Iain
Any light shed on what to do with the three pipes would be grateful. For now i have tee'd together the two larger pipes (on top of the canister) and put the tee to the pipe in the chassis leg. There is still a connection to the intake elbow. The remaining small pipe i have plugged.
Is this correct???
Cheers
Iain
26 September 2004, 11:34 PM
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Just found a document that shows the emissions control system and the canister connections and function. If you PM your e-mails, I'll send to anyone interested.
Gerry
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27 September 2004, 10:03 AM
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remove the one from the map sensor connection.. it is just taking air into the valve.. hence the one way valve.. remove and block off the pipe or replace the T connector with a straight connector.
You then have one from the tank vent and one from the manifold.. not sure which is which.. keep the one way valve on the one that has it.. job done..
You then have one from the tank vent and one from the manifold.. not sure which is which.. keep the one way valve on the one that has it.. job done..
