stevebt

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have a tek 3 car with 3 port boost solenoid fitted, if i was to add the tdo5 turbo to the car how safe would it be for driving as the car is not mapped for it and it could be a few weeks with the turbo on before i manage to get the car booked in to get the remap done

greasemonkey

Hmmm, don't even think about it unless you've got a KnockLink, AFR meter and boost gauge fitted. If you've got all those you might be able to get away with using a manual boost controller to keep things in check until you can get it remapped properly.

stevebt

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got the knocklink and boost gauge

greasemonkey

Really need AFR meter too before it becomes justifiable risk. Could be fine as is, but do you want to risk it? AFR meter very handy to have on car anyway, as it can give advance warning of failing MAF sensor.

Have a word with Jamie and see if he'll do you a deal on the AFR meter and a Dawes Device.

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

will that be in a secs unit cause i have one of those

WREXY

Yes you can observe AFRs with secs. Observe the O2 sensor readings. If you get around 0.88volts, the fuelling map suits the turbo. Anything under 0.86volts and you need a remap cos the mixtures will be on the leaner side. You will have to take it easy with the car, i.e. not giving it any stick till a remap. Anything above 0.90 and it's rich, which is safe to run the turbo, but a remap would be required to bring the mixtures down to between 0.87 and 0.89volts. These figures should be obtained from around 4000rpm to whatever you rev to.

Cheers,

George.



[Edited by WREXY - 9/15/2003 9:55:18 PM]

WREXY

Forgot to add, as Greasemonkey says you should also observe boost and also Knock. A Knocklink is a must cos it's accurate in observing if the engine is detting. You can observe knock correction on secs. 1 or 2 degrees knock correction for a very brief period, for a little part of the rev range is OK. The knock correction of the ECU isn't a reliable source for observing det. Although there may be knock correction, it doesn't necessarily mean the engine's detting and sometimes with a little bit of knock correction it could be detting, hence why a Knocklink is better for observing det.

George.

[Edited by WREXY - 9/15/2003 10:06:41 PM]

midlife-crisis-scooby

Stevebt

I know what you mean..I have bought a TD05 from Andy forrest (it's in a box at Stan Palmers) and when it comes to fitting I was going to drive it... s l o w l y... to John Banks who advised that it's ok up to about 10PSI un mapped.

I was tempted to have the TD05 fited and get the car low-loaded down to Pat / Pete at Scoobysport to avoid the problems you have mentioned.

Where were you thinking of having the TD05 mapped, Newcastle is not a million miles from Carlisle ??

Midlife....

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

since john isntdoing any more remaps ill ber forced to drive down south and go to br developments or power engineering so ive got to do a lot of driving with the turbo on no matter what happens

midlife crissis scooby mine is already at 18psi so when i fit the tdo5 thats why im asking about the problems now

[Edited by stevebt - 9/16/2003 6:26:38 PM]

midlife-crisis-scooby

Steve

Tricky problem...AFAIK PE don't do custom mapping, Likewise AFAIK Bob Rawle at BR does and he has an enviable reputation at mapping.

I decided to opt to ask Pat at Scoobyspot to map mine when the TD05 etc gets fitted but like yourself had a bit of a panic at how many miles I would have to drive !! I'm still undecided but am seriously thinking of getting the car low-loaded down to Pete Croney / Pat when the TD05 is fitted.

Cheers

Midlife..


Ps the TD04 with my Tek 2 example map maxes out at about 16PSI

Abbylad

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Midlife, do you think he might be persuaded to nip up our end of the country for a weekend? think i`m gonna need another re-map soon

so that makes 3 of us, would be cheaper for the 3 of us to put pat up in a hotel than for us all to drive down there

Merv

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Merv at Power Engineering(now working as Ecutek) has just remapped my car after I replaced turbo,Intercooler and fuel pump, I had a Tek2 ECU. They had my car for 2 days, supplied a car to get me home and back next day.The car has put a smile on my face(300BHP) and so did the bill, they charged me for 2 hours work = £180+VAT

PS Merv told me to blank off small pipe from turbo to stop overboosting on the way up to them.

Fuzz

Have you got a adjustable fuel pressure reg, forgot to ask the other day, would ask on the msn but you're away.
You could wind that up a BAR, just to be on the safe side....
but as said above best to get AFR as well...

You think you got problems, I gotta drive that monster of mine over to Swindon next Friday....
That's going to be interesting, trying to keep off the loud pedal.
My little deffi had a fit when I was "ahem" *testing* the other day, needle swang past 1.7 BAR

Andy

Andy Hobson

Midlife,

I'm considering going the TD05 FE route later this year and going to Scoobysport to get it mapped by Pat. Were you pleased with the results ? Did you get any bhp / lbft figures from delta dash ?

Cheers,

Andy.

[Edited by Andy Hobson - 9/18/2003 1:19:09 PM]

P20SPD

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Just disconnect the wastgate if you cant be trusted

midlife-crisis-scooby

Hi Andy

I've not got the TD05 fitted yet.....I had it all planned out and the timing has all gone wrong. For example I wanted to change to Samco hoses just to make sure... but there has been a delay on the colour I wanted (I'm just a tart at heart, not the faulyt of anybody just not a lot of stock about.

I bought the TD05 from Andy Forest who suggested Pat at Scoobysport because of his previous experience at custom mapping rather than tweaking example maps.

Abbeylad (above) has suggested that we could pay pat to Travel to places rather than drive un mapped cars. I think that is an idea worth thinking about.

I'll let you know how I get on but the FE TD05 seems a reasonable way forward from the TD04


Cheers


Midlife...

Andy Hobson

Nice one Midlife, good luck with the mapping and I look forward to hearing the results.

Andy.

Andy.F

Hi Guys

Also consider Bob Rawle at BRD. I know Bob has travelled in the past to map cars (in a number of countrys !)

cheers

Andy

Fredysan

WREXY said:

Yes you can observe AFRs with secs. Observe the O2 sensor readings. If you get around 0.88volts, the fuelling map suits the turbo. Anything under 0.86volts and you need a remap cos the mixtures will be on the leaner side.

If the Narrow band Oxy sensor is not a accurate device, How can can estimate whether the grade of "richness" is the optimal for the turbo selected?

Regards from Chile

Denmark

iTrader: (2)

And i will ad that on my OE narrowband sensor 0,88v ,is the same as about 13:1 AFR on a wideband !!!!


Skassa

midlife-crisis-scooby

Andy (F)

Thanks for mentioning Bob Rawle at BR.
Ninnybobs has his Bugeye mapped by BRD (Bob presumably) recently and came second at the last Well Lane RR Session..the results are in the Northern Section but seem to remember 297 BHP(ish).........

looks like pretty smart mapping to me !!!!!!

I have one of your FE TD05's sitting in a box and I am a little scared to have it fitted and then drive around waiting for a re-map. I also have a set of STi injectors /Walbro fuel pump in the same box.

I just wondered how the car would go with the above fited on a TeK 2 map for a De-cat bugeye.......... B.A.N.G. !! I Guess ??

Midlife

Andy.F

There would be a risk, yes ! Your tek2 will have a safe map for the td04 but once you fit the bigger turbo, if you run the same boost, your airflow will reach areas of the map that may not have been checked. These areas may be safe but that can't be guaranteed.
With a proper remap on the bigger turbo and injectors I'll be surprised if you are not running over 300 bhp ! It's a more impressive change than going from std > tek 2 You will not be disappointed

Andy

midlife-crisis-scooby

Andy (F)

Thanks for the advice......priceless.

I was going to have the TD05 etc fitted and THEN try and find someone to re-map. It looks like the safest thing to do is try and sort out the MAPPER and THEN get the bits fitted to suit

Sounds like which came first, the chicken or the egg.........who cares lets find a good fe TD05 mapper

Midlife....

WREXY

originally posted by Fredysan:
The Oxy sensor is supposed to be read when it's cold. When it heats up, it is inaccurate. It will show less. Most Ecutek'd cars including my car has been mapped using the stock oxygen sensor. 0.88/0.89 volts has been assumed as a safe and good air fuel ratio by the techies. My car runs this voltage with a VF23 turbo.

A 13:1 air fuel ratio is 0.84 volts roughly. I have seen these readings when cars have 0.89 volts when the oxygen sensor is cold and when it heats up it will show 0.84 volts.


Andy,

Midlife already has a Tek 3 not a Tek 2 hence my advice for him to check his AFRs. It would be a long shot for it to be suited to the turbo, but sometimes you never know.


Cheers,

George.

Andy.F

Hi George

I think its stevebt with the Tek3. Midlife has a Tek2.

I agree that it may be worth checking the AFR, especially with the uprated pump/regulator offering a bit leeway. (and of course monitoring knock)

Andy

alanbell

iTrader: (6)

Ninnybobs 4th 295bhp me 5th 294bhp . both very GOOD ,

WREXY

Hi Andy,

Sh*t! Your're right! Who have I been talking to then? Midlife will defo need a Tek 3 then. Tek 2 is for TDO4.

Cheers,

George.

[Edited by WREXY - 9/20/2003 7:44:26 PM]

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

got mine R&R'd and due to an exhaust leak i think im alright for a lttle extra powere without blowing my engine i think

midlife-crisis-scooby

Steve

e-mails might have crossed somewhere but it looks like some new TD05 "owners" might need some serious mapping expertise.
Stevebt, Abbey, Ninnybobs ..

This is not a group buy but would be happy to try and arrange someting


Midlife.....

midlife-crisis-scooby

Alanbell

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Midlife.....