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Old 12 December 2014, 11:57 AM
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Wink Sick of the LAG from my FMIC

I bought my 1998 UK Turbo 2000 Terzo back in July,
From what i could see the only modifacation to the engine department was a Japspeed fmic, after driving it home i found that the turbo (td04) was shagged or at least on its way out because it was only producing 0.6 bar of boost.
So, i swapped out the Turbo for a Td05 16g, fitted a 3" turbo back decat system with bellmouth downpipe, walbro 255, fuel pressure regulator, a set of NGK's and magnecor leads and a piper X filter, had an ELS board fitted and had it mapped to run mafless.

I was so chuffed with the results (running about 320bhp) pulls like a steriod fuelled train from about 2900rpm all the way round to 6800 in all gears.

So, here's my problem/Question:

Im sick of the turbo Lag and the lazy wait for the power to begin....lol

Whats the most efficient upgraded Tmic i can fit without doing any modifications or at least minimul modification?

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Old 12 December 2014, 11:59 AM
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CRAPSPEED...........................
Old 12 December 2014, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
CRAPSPEED...........................
Thanks for you valid input FT, that really helps me move forward
Old 12 December 2014, 12:15 PM
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You don't say how much boost the 20g is making, or when it makes 1 bar.
It's not simply a question of saying that one component is responsible for the lag. Sometimes you can help matters by being in the right gear for the mod combination you have to work properly.
Regardless of what else is said plenty of JS front mounts are producing good numbers at the right rpm, so you might want to do a little more investigation before you throw the baby out with the bath water.
Old 12 December 2014, 12:24 PM
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headers will make a big difference, but spooling from 2900rpm is not laggy at all, go NA if you want less lag than that
Old 12 December 2014, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
You don't say how much boost the 20g is making, or when it makes 1 bar.
It's not simply a question of saying that one component is responsible for the lag. Sometimes you can help matters by being in the right gear for the mod combination you have to work properly.
Regardless of what else is said plenty of JS front mounts are producing good numbers at the right rpm, so you might want to do a little more investigation before you throw the baby out with the bath water.

It's not a 20g, its a 16g and it runs 1.2 bar.

Im not saying theres a problem with the combination, it all works very well, what i am saying is that i would like to change to a Top mount for reduced lag and increased 0-60 times.

dont get me wrong, the power gets laid down very well and is great all the way through apart from standing start.
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Originally Posted by SuperTerzo
It's not a 20g,
Ooops brain fade.
I would agree with Tidgy, 2900 isn't bad lag.
If you're wanting better S/S times try launching a bit harder.

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Old 12 December 2014, 12:43 PM
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so you would'nt recomend changing to a tmic then?
Old 12 December 2014, 12:46 PM
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2900rpm is not laggy for a turbo car, just learn to drive it different, drop an extra cog
Old 12 December 2014, 01:05 PM
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Its never an issue once she's up and off the mark and spooling away, i spend most of my time up and down the box, just getting dissapointed with being slow of the start, and i dont fancy blowin the clutch or gearbox!
although i was planning on fitting an type RA box in march next year.
Old 12 December 2014, 01:07 PM
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sounds like your not launching hard enough then tbh
Old 12 December 2014, 01:10 PM
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Yep, between a rock and a hard place. Need to launch harder but may pay the price of a gearbox.
Changing back to a top mount will not improve your S/S performance. You need to get the engine turning above the peak torque rpm before you engage the clutch otherwise it will just bog down.
Old 12 December 2014, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTerzo
i dont fancy blowin the clutch or gearbox!

as i said.......
Old 12 December 2014, 01:14 PM
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As I said.
Originally Posted by Blue by You
between a rock and a hard place
Old 12 December 2014, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
Yep, between a rock and a hard place. Need to launch harder but may pay the price of a gearbox.
Changing back to a top mount will not improve your S/S performance. You need to get the engine turning above the peak torque rpm before you engage the clutch otherwise it will just bog down.
with a top mount, the boost should come in earlier though with shorter intercooler pipe work?

Should'nt it?
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In theory but it's marginal. You'll more likely suffer from heat soak than with a FMIC though, and that will hurt your performance.
Old 12 December 2014, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTerzo
with a top mount, the boost should come in earlier though with shorter intercooler pipe work?

Should'nt it?
doesnt realy make much difference to the launch load, 300ftlb at 2600rpm is the same as 300ftlb and 2900rpm.
Old 12 December 2014, 01:35 PM
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Thanks guys, you've been most helpfull and opened up my peepers today, gearbox upgrade in march then, and some heavier steel toe caps

cheers
Old 12 December 2014, 01:42 PM
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Best of luck.
Old 12 December 2014, 02:14 PM
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I'd also be inclined to ask Alyn at AS Performance about a Harvey up-pipe.
Then get a map tweak.

Mine suffers no lag.......2.5 with a HSTD05 20g, tubular headers, FMIC and the Harvey up-pipe.
Old 12 December 2014, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I'd also be inclined to ask Alyn at AS Performance about a Harvey up-pipe.
Then get a map tweak.

Mine suffers no lag.......2.5 with a HSTD05 20g, tubular headers, FMIC and the Harvey up-pipe.
i bet its not on full boost at 2900rpm, which is wha tthe op deems laggy
Old 12 December 2014, 03:42 PM
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Or alternatively buy a close ratio gearbox such as a ty754 jdm with 4.44 diff
Old 12 December 2014, 04:23 PM
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billet md321 turbo maybe ??
the billets spool up quicker so I am lead to believe
Old 13 December 2014, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
i bet its not on full boost at 2900rpm, which is wha tthe op deems laggy
1 bar at 2800 do you?
Old 13 December 2014, 03:24 PM
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I think it's the response more than lag, sometimes incorrectly fitted pipe work on fmic can cause this. not saying that all fmic are not responsive.
Old 13 December 2014, 05:06 PM
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Launch and lag won't influence each other if you have the ESL Motorsports features added. The ESL demo car hits 60 in 2.9sec and feels like your face is being pulled off.
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The cooler you have is not efficient, don't know why so many people fit them (aside from cheap bling). If you're serious about performance fit a decent FMIC (HDi GT2) or a Newage STi TMIC.

My UK Turbo 2000 with a STi TMIC + TD05/16g went like the clappers at 1.5bar.
Old 15 December 2014, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
1 bar at 2800 do you?
this wasnt laggy

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