Reshard1977

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Hi All,

after spending a bit on my bug, and having learnt a lot about and loving bugs, It feel like time to maybe try something new, I can feel the itch for a Classic coming on!! But know sod all about them!!

I'm looking for a road car that i would mildly tune, I've been looking around, and come across:

1995 UK WRX

1997 WRX JDM

Classic 2000 UK

Which would technically be the best out of these in terms or strength, reliability and easily modded?

I know we all love our scoobs and think we all own the best model available, but please only give unbiased and honest opinions


Cheers all!

bustaMOVEs

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You can mods them all the same, as they will all require same process, go with the one that's in best condition like rust and corrosion. The jdm would be better engine out the box, belive they have more hp standard.
Depends if you are going todo and engine transplant then but any based on condition.
I bought a jdm wrx because the bodywork is mint, but I'm doing a engine transplant as I don't trust the classic engine modded.

bustaMOVEs

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P.s if you have the extra cash the type R or RA is the best.

leecalcars

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V4 sti type r raw machine but great fun

Reshard1977

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Cheers mate, I would consider doing an engine swap. But if they are good out the box then i'd be happy to keep as is.

Scooby Drew was selling a white one on here a little while ago for not much cash, that's what started me thinking!!

It would be the third car in my house, so i cant stretch to Type R or RA.

But I've read what i needed to know, sounds like there is nothing between the classics other than condition.

Cheers fella, owe you one!

EOEUMC

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JDM comes with the TD05 where the UK ones has the TD04. I think JDM is 260bhp standard and the UK is 212bhp standard

bustaMOVEs

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Yeah that white one sold, but I bought the silver one

Yeah, I read simlar to this.

But I'd still change engine to a newage bottom end or forge it as I wouldn't want limited power

Reshard1977

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That's really helpful, cheers mate.

Other than the turbo is the rest of the engine the same? Strength wise?

Pross

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engine is same, gearing is totally different. Plus you get electric mirrors, best part lol

Welloilbeefhooked

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JDM MY97 onwards wrx or sti have 276hp standard but need good fuel to run well.

A UK classic will have suffered our weather alot more too.

IveGotTheBug

There's no uk wrx,wrxs are import only as are stis,which makes all uk's turbo 2000's bar limited editions (p1,catalunyas ect)

The wrx is superior (my own opinion)

Uk's and jdms come with td05,td04 and other variants depending on the year

Reshard1977

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That makes a lot more sense to me now!

Thanks mate, and thanks everyone for the info.

On the look out for a clean WRX now :-)

Cheers again all.

FMJ

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There is so much more to it then mentioned above. A snippet from memory that may be inaccurate:

Classics in general come in six generations V1-6.

The facelift models are 99-00 with a phase 2 engine. The facelift models have the more aggressive front end and crystal lights.

99-00 models are Ecutek remappable. Earlier cars are mapped with new ecus or ESL (I think)

Later models had 440 injectors allowing more room for power increases.

The TD05 of the Jap models allows more top end power.

UK models
All had TD04 turbos and all are Impreza Turbo 2000 AWD's not WRX's.
UK models have longer gear ratios which can be better or worse depending what you want.
V1-V4 had about 210bhp
V5-6 had about 220bhp
The PPP could be fitted giving about 240bhp
V5-6 can be mapped to about 280bhp.

V5 and V6 had better interiors, better seats, four pot front brakes and generally better speced. They were a lot more similar to the jap WRX's then the earlier UK model. If you get a UK model try to get a 99-00.

Jap
WRX is jap only and had (I think) 260bhp to start with then later 270ish.
They all had TD05 turbos.

Fairly sure the UK turbo and Jap WRX is the same engine. But the WRX is mapped for Jap fuel and should be remapped for UK fuel.

Jap cars are not always treated for salted roads (they don't salt roads in Japan). So if you import one great as it won't be rusty. But if its not treated it will rust quickly.

STI are jap only and have many improvements in suspension engine transmission and maps.

RA's are light weight basic versions designed for rallying. Things like roof vents, no sound deadening etc.

STI R's are two door and hard core. with very close gearing.

Special editions include the P1 and 22B which are proper different models. Then you have the special editions which are more just cosmetic changes like the RB5, Terzo, Catalunya, McRae etc.

When looking at classics get one with as few mods as possible. People **** them up messing with the boost piping etc and there are countless threads where people buy classics with issues because somebody has tried to mod it badly. It's a right headache working out what some idiot did to mess it up.

The main weak spot is the rear arches. Small bubbling on the outside for an inch or two can mean the whole inner wing is rotted away hidden from view. This is a major repair job! Scary as it looks minor on the outside but the rust starts within and way up in the arch. The visible bubbles come after many inches of metal inside have rusted away. So get one with good arches! Then get it treated!

Lastly Jap cars cost more to insure and can be harder to get parts purely because the dealer can't look them up. You can still work around that these days tho.

scoobyJim2

I've owned 3 classics. A 95 wrx,a 96wrx and a 98 uk turbo 2000 and the 98 was a lot lot quicker,especially when it gets into 3rd gear,it leaves the older wrx's standing.(thats another thing to consider,they have different gear ratios) But subaru did up the torque in a 97-98,so it may just have been that these were slower because they were older models.

Welloilbeefhooked

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Early v1-2 jdm imports ran 240hp iirc.

ditchmyster

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Personally I would go for a V3/V4 STI, RA or Type R, if you have other cars then there is no need to rush into a purchase so save some more cash and buy the best condition enthusiast owned one you can find.

I would avoid UK versions (unless you find a very low milage garage queen) simply because of rust, you can easily throw £2k at a rotten classic shell and it will still be full of filler, which is money I would sooner spend on a rot free minty shell. The newest Classics are coming up to 15yrs old so I'd be buying on condition as mentioned above.

banny sti

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GC8 Subaru Impreza WRX / WRX STi
SUBARU IMPREZA WRX & STi Features
Subaru's Horizontally-opposed engine gives the Impreza WRX a low center of gravity and good front-rear and lateral weight distribution.
The Impreza WRX's 4WD system consists of a perfect linear alignment for its light weight and compact BOXER engine, transmission, propeller shafts and rear differential. This ideal layout creates outstanding left-right and front-rear weight balance so it is the perfect 4WD system.
So as a result, the performance has improved every year. 1992.11 : The first Impreza WRX & WRX type-RA were introduced. [ Type A ]
The Impreza WRX is powered by a FJ20 horizontally opposed 2.0-liter DOHC intercooler turbocharged 'BOXER' engine that makes 240 horsepower and 31.0kg-m of torque. The full-time 4WD system has a center and rear viscous-type LSD. The WRX Type-RA competition base model is designed for entry in motor sport. It comes with an intercooler water splay and close ratio transmission gearbox.
WRX/WRX type RA : 240 horsepower / 31.0kg-m of torque.

1993. 9 : There are some changes [ Type B]
The Impreza WRX with 4AT and Impreza WRX wagon were added to the Impreza WRX line-up. The Impreza WRX with 4AT and WRX wagon adopted engine with TD04L turbine which valued low-rev-range. And WRX comes with electric fold-in door mirrors (except type RA/SA).
WRX/WRX type RA : 240 horsepower / 31.0kg-m of torque.
WRX (AT)/WRX wagon : 220 horsepower / 28.5kg-m of torque.

1994.01 : The Impreza WRX STi and Impreza WRX STi wagon were introduced. The
Impreza WRX STi/STi wagon are powered by a EJ20G turbocharged engine that makes 250 horsepower. The exclusive hand-made EJ20G engine has adopted high-strength forged pistons, light weight HLA, a improved intercooler, a intercooler water spray, Fujitubo exhaust muffler, and a exclusive tuned ECU.
And Impreza WRX STi & WRX STi wagon feature including a exclusive steering wheel, a exclusive shift ****, Cherry Red trimmed exclusive bucket seats, a carbon-fiber strut tower bar and a large size rear spoiler (sedan).
WRX STi & WRX STi wagon : 250 horsepower / 31.5kg-m of torque

1994.10 : Impreza WRX [ Type C1 ]
There was some minor changes. The Impreza WRX type RA got the 260 horsepower. The Impreza WRX has adopted the open deck cylinder block. And WRX comes with 205/50R16 tires, colored door *****, and an auto antenna.
WRX/WRX type RA : 260 housepower / 31.5kg-m of torque.
1994.11 : Impreza WRX Type-RA STi.
Impreza WRX Type-RA STi was introduced (50 units/per month). A drivers control center differential (DCCD) is employed to control the torque split between the front and rear wheels. Standard equipment include the handmade engine produced by STi, exclusive ECU, quick-shift, power steering oil cooler, rear 2-way mechanical LSD, carbon strut tower bar, large size rear spoiler and roof ventilator.
Horsepower is increased to 275PS/6500rpm and torque to 32.5Kg-m/4000rpm (WRX STi Type-RA)
Exporting JDM car

1995.08 : Impreza WRX STi II (type C2) was introduced. It is available with white, red, and silver color.
Also, Impreza WRX STi II 555 was introduced with exclusive 555 blue color. WRX STi II : 275PS/6500rpm, torque : 32.5kg-m/4000rpm
WRX STi II Wagon: 260PS/6500rpm, torque : 31.5kg-m/5000rpm
1996.02 : Limited Edition "V-limited was introduced.
The Impreza WRX Type-RA STi II V-limited package features sports-blue body color, original bucket seats, a WRC championship emblem, manual air-conditioning, a limited edition serial plate,and gold STi alloy wheels.
The Imperza WRX V-limited package futures ABS, green glass, original bucket seats, a WRC championship emblem, gold alloy wheels the same as the STi, and limited edition number plate.

1996. 08 : Impreza WRX & Impreza WRX STi 3 [ Type D ]
The BOXER-MASTER4 FJ20 engine is further improved. The engine uses molybdenum coated low-friction pistons, multi-point injection system, IHI RHF5HB turbine and a large size intercooler. In the asethetics department, a mild facelift for the WRX includes new front and rear bumpers, new headlight and taillight design and a new grille. An SRS airbag adds to passenger safety. As for the WRX STi type-RA, braking performance is improved by using 16 inch, 4-pot callipers at the front and 15 inch, 2-pot callipers at the rear.
Horsepower 280PS/6500rpm torque 33.5kg-m/4000rpm (WRX, WRX Type-RA)
Horsepower 280PS/6500rpm torque 35.0kg-m/4000rpm(WRX STi version)
Horsepower 240PS/6000rpm torque 31.0kg-m/3000rpm (wagon)
1997.01 : Impreza WRX STi 3 V-limited.
The WRX WRX STi 3 V-limited package includes original bucket seats, a WRC championship emblem, carbon-fibre instrument panel and a limited edition number-build plate.
The WRX 2-door type-R STi is also introduced. The 2-door Type-R has STi tuned engine, DCCD, automatic climate control, power windows and electric door mirrors.
Exporting JDM car

1997.08 : Impreza WRX & Impreza WRX STi 4 [ Type E ]
The latest Impreza WRX update has only minor changes. The Impreza WRX series features Subaru's SURETRAC rear LSD. (except Type-RA STi and Type-R STi).
Horsepower 250PS/6000rpm torque 31.2kg-m/4000rpm (wagon)
Horsepower 280PS/6500rpm torque 36.0kg-m/4000rpm (WRX STi version).
1998.01 : The Impreza WRX STi 4 V-limited & type R V-limited .
The Impreza WRX Type-RA STi 4 V-limited package includes auto air conditioning, power window, powered door locks, electric door mirrors, a faster steering rack and front helical LSD. The Impreza WRX Type-R V-limited package includes STi engine that is the same as the Type-R STi, ABS, fog lamps, auto air conditioning, power windows, central locking, electric door mirrors, but no intercooler water splay.
The Impreza WRX Type-R STi V-limited package is the same as standard type-R STi except for the emblems and body colour.
Exporting JDM car

GC8 Subaru Impreza 22B STi
1998.03 : The Subaru Impreza WRX 22B STi version is a handmade 2 door coupe based on the Subaru Impreza contested the World Rally Championship. Four hundred of these were built for the Japanese domestic market and were sold out within 48 hours. The Impreza WRX 22B STi Version features EJ22 2.2litre turbocharged engine, 4WD system, intercooler water splay, ventilated disc brakes, Bilstein inverted suspension, 17 x 8.5 inch BBS wheels fitted with Pirelli 235/40 P-Zero tyres and a twin plate ceramic/metal clutch. With a widened body, it is 80mm wider than an Impreza WRX at both the front and rear.

1998.0 9 : Impreza WRX & Impreza WRX STi 5 [Type-F]
The Impreza WRX gets an improved PHASE-2 engine with brand new intake manifold and camshafts to realize improved low-end and mid-range response. It also adopts inverted strut suspension, Sports ABS(STi), and WRC car type rear spoiler(STi sedan). Horsepower 280PS/6500rpm torque 34.5Kg-m/4000rpm (WRX, WRX Type-RA)
Horsepower 240PS/6000rpm torque 31.5Kg-m/4000rpm (wagon)
1998.11 : The limited edition version was introduced.

1999.09 : Impreza WRX & Impreza WRX STi-6 [ Type G ]
There were some minor changes only. It is equipped with a clutch start system.
Horsepower 280PS/6500rpm torque 34.5Kg-m/4000rpm (WRX & WRX Type-RA)
Horsepower 240PS/6000rpm torque 31.5Kg-m/4000rpm (wagon)
1999.11 : The limited edition version was introduced.

2000.04 : The Impreza S201 STi version was released. The S201 STi features an exclusive ECU tune, large size intake duct, exclusive exhaust muffler, exclusive aero parts, RAYS alloy wheels, front helical LSD, and an adjustable suspension.

averyp2

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Some early UK versions had TD05 16g's as standard - my '96 Turbo 2000 did

Reshard1977

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Wow, i have all the information i need!

Thanks guys, really helpful.

I'm sure others that are looking for a Classic will find this all really helpful too. There is certainly a hell of a lot more to consider and look at than there is with new ages!

Cheers again guys.

piehole1983

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Just to throw my but in, V3/4 require a standalone ECU or else an ESL add on board fitted to make them remappable. Both options are fairly expensive with ESL being the least expensive. I did this with my V3.

banny sti

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ESL is £295 + vat plus mapping, that imho is well priced considering what you get

piehole1983

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Certainly is, that's why I did it!

scoobyJim2

This one

piehole1983

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Why does it say "recently taken in p/x" then down in the description "I've owned it 5 years"?

ditchmyster

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I think the car above is possibly a WRX not an STI.

Caribe

May have copied the original advert from the seller but forgot to take that out. Saves the trader re typing the whole thing

piehole1983

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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...cars?logcode=p

piehole1983

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Looks like a nice enough car

ditchmyster

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Between the chav trumpet and vortex generator I'd be a bit cautious, rear lights suggest it might be an STI but the inlet manifold having zero signs of red crinkle paint suggests somethings not quite right, no mention of dccd so that would be my first question.

scoobyJim2

Didn't think they made a 3door wrx?