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Old 16 November 2014, 11:50 PM
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Default Best oil catch can to use for STi?

Hi guys, did a bit of routine maintenance on the Hawkeye STi today and found there to be quite a bit of oil residue floating around in the intake manifold. Figured it was time to invest in a oil catch can to sort that out.


Seen a few on the market by the likes of Perrin, Crawford performance and Grimmspeed.


Can anyone suggest which would be the best one to go for?


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Interested to hear other peoples thoughts, too.
Old 17 November 2014, 10:31 AM
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Not sure on makes but I've heard baffled ones are what to go for as a lot aren't.
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Try CDF racing
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i have a 3 port obd baffled one.
does the job perfectly. i dont return to sump though i just empty it every few weeks but there is a fitting on the bottom of the can if you want to return to sump and be maintenance free.
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I will definitely get a baffled one that separates the oil and air into fresh useable air that can be returned back into the intake manifold


Really like the Crawford Performance one although they are bloody expensive!


Have seen a few cheap ones on ebay but doubt they will have any sort of filter in there and just be a container to 'catch' the oil.
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Originally Posted by the shreksta
Try CDF racing

Just had a nosey at that one, looks very nice!
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Originally Posted by lewisdj
I will definitely get a baffled one that separates the oil and air into fresh useable air that can be returned back into the intake manifold


Really like the Crawford Performance one although they are bloody expensive!


Have seen a few cheap ones on ebay but doubt they will have any sort of filter in there and just be a container to 'catch' the oil.
avoid ebay crap and get a decent baffled one, i fitted mine when i fitted an fmic and it keeps the pipework and cooler clean.

there was always a thin film of oil inside the tmic without one and this was what i wanted to avoid.
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Originally Posted by lewisdj
Just had a nosey at that one, looks very nice!
very well made for the price,there was a group buy on them last year i think.

get in touch with them and see if another group buy is on the cards
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
avoid ebay crap and get a decent baffled one, i fitted mine when i fitted an fmic and it keeps the pipework and cooler clean.

there was always a thin film of oil inside the tmic without one and this was what i wanted to avoid.

Yea I've noticed a thin layer of oil in and around the fmic pipework. has the oil catch can cleared up all oil the oil residue and leave no traces of oil in there?
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
i have a 3 port obd baffled one.
does the job perfectly. i dont return to sump though i just empty it every few weeks but there is a fitting on the bottom of the can if you want to return to sump and be maintenance free.
When you look at what actually comes out the catch tank I'm not sure if i'd want it going back into my sump anyway for the sake of emptying it every so often.
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Originally Posted by ScoobP1
When you look at what actually comes out the catch tank I'm not sure if i'd want it going back into my sump anyway for the sake of emptying it every so often.
its mostly just moisture but i wouldnt either, it wouldnt occur in a track car so much but does in an everyday use car.
the real issue is fitting it in somewhere

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I have an OBP with RTS. Any minor condesate that collects in the return pipe will evaporate when the engine is up to full working temp for a decent time.
They are difficult to fit in the space available. I have mine fitted on the N/S chassis rail.
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
I have an OBP with RTS. Any minor condesate that collects in the return pipe will evaporate when the engine is up to full working temp for a decent time.
They are difficult to fit in the space available. I have mine fitted on the N/S chassis rail.
the obp one is large i managed to get mine on the passenger side suspension strut after making a bracket
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Those obp catch cans look gorgeous! Although there are so many to choose from.. What capacity one should I go for? Surly 1 litre is enough. And also, do they return to sump? Think I'd prefer one that doesn't do that and I can manually empty. Some of the crap that gets caught in there I don't think I'd want going back into the motor
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Originally Posted by lewisdj
And also, do they return to sump? Think I'd prefer one that doesn't do that and I can manually empty.
This...

Originally Posted by fat-thomas
there is a fitting on the bottom of the can if you want to return to sump and be maintenance free.
It can be blanked off if you wish.
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I've just had the RCM Track Attack one fitted to mine ��
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Originally Posted by lewisdj
Those obp catch cans look gorgeous! Although there are so many to choose from.. What capacity one should I go for? Surly 1 litre is enough. And also, do they return to sump? Think I'd prefer one that doesn't do that and I can manually empty. Some of the crap that gets caught in there I don't think I'd want going back into the motor
obp 1 litre is fine and as said above has the fitting on the bottom if you want to return to sump if not leave blanking bolt in place as i did.
just make sure you have room to fit one as my car and bluebyyou above both have fmics so have slightly more room in the bay.

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heres my oil catch can,unsure of make and if it returns to sump or not though

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Originally Posted by Jackals
I've just had the RCM Track Attack one fitted to mine ��


Those RCM catch cans are gorgeous! Super sexy looking things, although they should be for £330 in VAT
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Think ive decided on this one.. Emailed obp Nd they said they can't provide oil lines for the tank and said I would need to get them from A separate company.

Can any one Point me in the right direction for which oil lengths/diameters I need to plum this 3 port catch can into my front mounted inter cooler sti engine?

Cheers
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Think ive decided on this one.. Emailed obp Nd they said they can't provide oil lines for the tank and said I would need to get them from A separate company.

Can any one Point me in the right direction for which oil lengths/diameters I need to plum this 3 port catch can into my front mounted inter cooler sti engine?

Cheers
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You don't need oil lines just normal rubber hose,its not under pressure or hot
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
You don't need oil lines just normal rubber hose,its not under pressure or hot
Ok cool, any idea on the best place I can get some from for this setup?
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
You don't need oil lines just normal rubber hose,its not under pressure or hot
I read that you're better off with oil lines as eventually the particulates would eat through rubber lines.
TBH though the amount that actually goes through there - probably would take an age to go through.
I have braided lines on mine but only because I'm a tart.
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Originally Posted by lewisdj
Ok cool, any idea on the best place I can get some from for this setup?
One thing you need to be aware of when fitting the breather pipes is that the OBP cans come with either 12mm spigots or 15mm spigots. The 15mm ones are what is recommended for newage cars, but they're actually the wrong size.

There are 2 breathers on the the cam covers, one each at 12 & 15mm. Only the 12mm pipe has a splash shield behind it to prevent direct ejection of oil splash from the valve gear. So you need to buy the 12mm spigot can to make the best of the installation.

How do I know this? Because I bought a 15mm version and Paul@Zen then showed me what I have just described and he subsequently had to modify it by welding smaller spigot on to make it work as it should.
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
One thing you need to be aware of when fitting the breather pipes is that the OBP cans come with either 12mm spigots or 15mm spigots. The 15mm ones are what is recommended for newage cars, but they're actually the wrong size.

There are 2 breathers on the the cam covers, one each at 12 & 15mm. Only the 12mm pipe has a splash shield behind it to prevent direct ejection of oil splash from the valve gear. So you need to buy the 12mm spigot can to make the best of the installation.

How do I know this? Because I bought a 15mm version and Paul@Zen then showed me what I have just described and he subsequently had to modify it by welding smaller spigot on to make it work as it should.
Very useful information there. Do you think Id be better if buying a full catch can kit with all the correct size oil lines and fittings, rather than messing around and installing spigots onto the fittings. Jjst want a trouble free installation that isn't going to leak!
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You won't need to modify anything if you buy the right bits.
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I had an OBP can before (looked and felt very well made) but took it off.

Yes, it did eliminate the oil in the cooler. But, because my car is a daily driver, 30 miles to work and back each day, part of which is sat in traffic, it had a lot of mayo crap in the pipes as well as the can.

Looked like the mayo stuff was building up so much that it would eventually make its way back to the engine. So i took it off before that happened.

I thought about using clear piping, so I could see how far the mayo stuff was travelling up the pipes, but in the end lost interest and took the can off.

I had it secured to the passenger strut too, and it was also a pain having to unbolt, empty then bolt up again.

I reckon they work well on track cars, but on daily drivers i don't think they are worth it, unless you live somewhere very hot, so that condensation doesn't build up in the pipes.
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Originally Posted by Reshard1977
I had an OBP can before (looked and felt very well made) but took it off.

Yes, it did eliminate the oil in the cooler. But, because my car is a daily driver, 30 miles to work and back each day, part of which is sat in traffic, it had a lot of mayo crap in the pipes as well as the can.

Looked like the mayo stuff was building up so much that it would eventually make its way back to the engine. So i took it off before that happened.

I thought about using clear piping, so I could see how far the mayo stuff was travelling up the pipes, but in the end lost interest and took the can off.

I had it secured to the passenger strut too, and it was also a pain having to unbolt, empty then bolt up again.

I reckon they work well on track cars, but on daily drivers i don't think they are worth it, unless you live somewhere very hot, so that condensation doesn't build up in the pipes.
My motor is a fully forged unit so it does seep a bit more oil than standard engines, it's mainly a weekend car so does get a bit of stick now and then. I think id benefit from an oil catch can


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