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02 July 2009, 08:37 PM
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Got to say I disagree. If anything it helps in the warmer weather.
I've been fortunate to drive a car that had switchable ABS, and having driven on various road surfaces/driving conditions, I'd rather have it switched on then off.
All IMHO of course
I've been fortunate to drive a car that had switchable ABS, and having driven on various road surfaces/driving conditions, I'd rather have it switched on then off.
All IMHO of course
02 July 2009, 08:43 PM
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Me too 
On a track having no ABS is fine as you are expecting the brakes to be locking, on a road there's no way that you are driving to the same level. I'd try and sort the ABS rather than disable it.
Remember if you DO disable the ABS you MUST tell your insurers.
On a track having no ABS is fine as you are expecting the brakes to be locking, on a road there's no way that you are driving to the same level. I'd try and sort the ABS rather than disable it.
Remember if you DO disable the ABS you MUST tell your insurers.
02 July 2009, 09:06 PM
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Good point Chris & as it is tampering with a OE safety feature most insurers will probably disown you.
I have heard the same when people take side impact air bag equipped seats out & fit fancy buckets & harnesses.
I have heard the same when people take side impact air bag equipped seats out & fit fancy buckets & harnesses.
02 July 2009, 09:48 PM
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then your ABS warning light would come on...
If you are involved in a serious accident then the police will inspect your car with a fine tooth comb, it just isn't worth it.
My sister has just been involved in a fatal accident. She was hit head on by a driver who had lost control and was on her side of the road. Thankfully she is ok but the driver of the offending vehicle died at the scene.
She was driving a 1.7 Diesel (not even turbo) POLO. She wasn't to blame and yet the police inspected her car and in particular her brakes in fine detail.
I think it's a daft idea mate, sorry.
If you are involved in a serious accident then the police will inspect your car with a fine tooth comb, it just isn't worth it.
My sister has just been involved in a fatal accident. She was hit head on by a driver who had lost control and was on her side of the road. Thankfully she is ok but the driver of the offending vehicle died at the scene.
She was driving a 1.7 Diesel (not even turbo) POLO. She wasn't to blame and yet the police inspected her car and in particular her brakes in fine detail.
I think it's a daft idea mate, sorry.
02 July 2009, 10:05 PM
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Sorry to hear about your sister Chris.
And all joking apart it isn't realy a joking matter when you think of things like that which can & do happen.
And all joking apart it isn't realy a joking matter when you think of things like that which can & do happen.
03 July 2009, 07:57 AM
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sorry to hear that chris, sounds an awful thing to happen. Having had a couple of cars that DONT come with ABS i would say get the issue sorted, have had incidents in BOTH of them that if ABS was fitted it would have been easily avoided.
First incident was the TVR, down a slightly damp multi story car park ramp. at around 5mph the wheels lock and slid to the bottom of the ramp and hit the kerb.
£400 repair.Second was the Noble, Luckily i never hit them but did come VERY close, someone decided to pull out in front of me @40 mph from a right turn lane that was behind chevron's, if ABS fitted i would have stopped very easily as once the wheels were locked i COULDNT back off or i would have hit them.
03 July 2009, 08:05 AM
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sorry to hear that chris, sounds an awful thing to happen. Having had a couple of cars that DONT come with ABS i would say get the issue sorted, have had incidents in BOTH of them that if ABS was fitted it would have been easily avoided.
First incident was the TVR, down a slightly damp multi story car park ramp. at around 5mph the wheels lock and slid to the bottom of the ramp and hit the kerb.
£400 repair.Second was the Noble, Luckily i never hit them but did come VERY close, someone decided to pull out in front of me @40 mph from a right turn lane that was behind chevron's, if ABS fitted i would have stopped very easily as once the wheels were locked i COULDNT back off or i would have hit them.
I know whats being said about safety but the subaru ABS does tend to take tome stick, I hate it on my latest STI but didnt have it on my old WRX and never had any problems keeping the car under control, I was I had the same confidence driving the car with ABS.
03 July 2009, 09:56 AM
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Good braking technique is a compromise between the two following factors :
•If you have locked your front wheels, you lose steering control
•The point of maximum deceleration is just before the point of wheel lock
In many real world conditions ABS prevents wheels from locking and also slows you down quicker than any manual braking technique, especially on wet or slippery roads.
If you are skilled & have the ***** Cadence braking is for very low grip surfaces such as an icy road - essentially applying and releasing the brakes rhythmically in order to get a compromise between steering and braking performance. As you apply the brakes, the wheels will tend to lock up, slowing the car but preventing you from steering. As you release the brakes you regain steering control and can keep the car pointing in the right direction.
The ***** bit comes when you are approaching a large immovable object with your non ABS brakes locked up & you are supposed to release & then reapply your brakes. Your self preservation instinct will usually keep your foot planted to the floor.
•If you have locked your front wheels, you lose steering control
•The point of maximum deceleration is just before the point of wheel lock
In many real world conditions ABS prevents wheels from locking and also slows you down quicker than any manual braking technique, especially on wet or slippery roads.
If you are skilled & have the ***** Cadence braking is for very low grip surfaces such as an icy road - essentially applying and releasing the brakes rhythmically in order to get a compromise between steering and braking performance. As you apply the brakes, the wheels will tend to lock up, slowing the car but preventing you from steering. As you release the brakes you regain steering control and can keep the car pointing in the right direction.
The ***** bit comes when you are approaching a large immovable object with your non ABS brakes locked up & you are supposed to release & then reapply your brakes. Your self preservation instinct will usually keep your foot planted to the floor.
03 July 2009, 10:13 AM
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Having said that I saw some interesting tyre marks going round Snetterton & they weren't just from the drifters.
03 July 2009, 10:19 AM
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sorry to hear that chris, sounds an awful thing to happen. Having had a couple of cars that DONT come with ABS i would say get the issue sorted, have had incidents in BOTH of them that if ABS was fitted it would have been easily avoided.
First incident was the TVR, down a slightly damp multi story car park ramp. at around 5mph the wheels lock and slid to the bottom of the ramp and hit the kerb.
£400 repair.Second was the Noble, Luckily i never hit them but did come VERY close, someone decided to pull out in front of me @40 mph from a right turn lane that was behind chevron's, if ABS fitted i would have stopped very easily as once the wheels were locked i COULDNT back off or i would have hit them.
Hi you ABS wouldnt have helped in the 1st instance as ABS doesnt kick in till above 30mph,
I know whats being said about safety but the subaru ABS does tend to take tome stick, I hate it on my latest STI but didnt have it on my old WRX and never had any problems keeping the car under control, I was I had the same confidence driving the car with ABS.
I know whats being said about safety but the subaru ABS does tend to take tome stick, I hate it on my latest STI but didnt have it on my old WRX and never had any problems keeping the car under control, I was I had the same confidence driving the car with ABS.
I prefer driving cars with ABS. My Ford Ranger doesn't have ABS and locks up so easily, especially in the wet, can be a real nightmare at times!
03 July 2009, 10:25 AM
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Sorry to hear about your sister Chris. Hope she makes a speedy recovery.
Re disconnecting a sensor or taking the fuse out, depending on the type of system in the car, these can both cause the calipers to lock on and not release. Yes a quick way of disconnecting the abs, but can result in a much worse scenario. I hate abs when driving hard. It nearly always cuts in too early but it is there for safety reasons. One reason I loved my ra was the more raw nature of the car with the lack of abs. But with family man hat on I'd rather have it.
Try fitting a brake bias valve instead. Sounds like there's too much braking going on at the front and not enough at the back so the abs is cutting in. Have you changed the rear discs and pads to a compound the same as the fronts? this will also help to even things out a bit.
Re disconnecting a sensor or taking the fuse out, depending on the type of system in the car, these can both cause the calipers to lock on and not release. Yes a quick way of disconnecting the abs, but can result in a much worse scenario. I hate abs when driving hard. It nearly always cuts in too early but it is there for safety reasons. One reason I loved my ra was the more raw nature of the car with the lack of abs. But with family man hat on I'd rather have it.
Try fitting a brake bias valve instead. Sounds like there's too much braking going on at the front and not enough at the back so the abs is cutting in. Have you changed the rear discs and pads to a compound the same as the fronts? this will also help to even things out a bit.
03 July 2009, 08:49 PM
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Sorry to hear about your sister Chris. Hope she makes a speedy recovery.
Re disconnecting a sensor or taking the fuse out, depending on the type of system in the car, these can both cause the calipers to lock on and not release. Yes a quick way of disconnecting the abs, but can result in a much worse scenario. I hate abs when driving hard. It nearly always cuts in too early but it is there for safety reasons. One reason I loved my ra was the more raw nature of the car with the lack of abs. But with family man hat on I'd rather have it.
Try fitting a brake bias valve instead. Sounds like there's too much braking going on at the front and not enough at the back so the abs is cutting in. Have you changed the rear discs and pads to a compound the same as the fronts? this will also help to even things out a bit.
Re disconnecting a sensor or taking the fuse out, depending on the type of system in the car, these can both cause the calipers to lock on and not release. Yes a quick way of disconnecting the abs, but can result in a much worse scenario. I hate abs when driving hard. It nearly always cuts in too early but it is there for safety reasons. One reason I loved my ra was the more raw nature of the car with the lack of abs. But with family man hat on I'd rather have it.
Try fitting a brake bias valve instead. Sounds like there's too much braking going on at the front and not enough at the back so the abs is cutting in. Have you changed the rear discs and pads to a compound the same as the fronts? this will also help to even things out a bit.
The brake bias system is the way to go I think. I'll have to look into it I think.
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