ESL Motorsports pack?
29 April 2014, 08:50 PM
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ESL Motorsports pack?
The pack consists of " Launch Control, Anti Lag, FlatShift and Traction Control"
Can anyone tell me how each one is integrated and operated please?
Anti-lag uses the ISCV I believe and I understand its opertaion, but is it apllied to both maps and do you have a physical switch to turn it on and off?
Launch control - Does this use a momentary push button to operate?
Flat Shift - How does the ecu know you are shifting? Is there an additional switch required on the clutch pedal?
Traction control - Again, how does the ecu determine wheel slip? I would assume one way would be to monitor abs sensors, which I dont have.
Cheers for any help,
Wayne.
Can anyone tell me how each one is integrated and operated please?
Anti-lag uses the ISCV I believe and I understand its opertaion, but is it apllied to both maps and do you have a physical switch to turn it on and off?
Launch control - Does this use a momentary push button to operate?
Flat Shift - How does the ecu know you are shifting? Is there an additional switch required on the clutch pedal?
Traction control - Again, how does the ecu determine wheel slip? I would assume one way would be to monitor abs sensors, which I dont have.
Cheers for any help,
Wayne.
29 April 2014, 09:32 PM
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I would imagine t/c will use the wheel speed sensors so as you say cars without abs could be a problem ?
Flat shift would require a brake light type switch fitting to the clutch pedal.
I would imagine that launch control would work off the neutral position switch and could be set for a single map and the same with a/l.could be wired to a toggle switch.
Sure Andy will confirm.
Tim
Flat shift would require a brake light type switch fitting to the clutch pedal.
I would imagine that launch control would work off the neutral position switch and could be set for a single map and the same with a/l.could be wired to a toggle switch.
Sure Andy will confirm.
Tim
29 April 2014, 09:45 PM
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HI Wayne
Anti-lag uses the ISCV I believe and I understand its opertaion, but is it apllied to both maps and do you have a physical switch to turn it on and off?
- You can use the ICV (easiest on a road car) or a throttle jacker by choke cable or solenoid switch for more air in a motorsport application. You can add a physical switch to turn it on and off. Any motorsport function can be assigned to a range of spare ECU inputs. The base map comes with sensible defaults. It can also be turned on and off in software.
Launch control - Does this use a momentary push button to operate?
- LC is armed when vehicle speed=0. You set the LC vehicle disarm speed.
Flat Shift - How does the ecu know you are shifting? Is there an additional switch required on the clutch pedal?
- Yes, a brake switch is easiest on the clutch pedal, the bracket is already there.
Traction control - Again, how does the ecu determine wheel slip? I would assume one way would be to monitor abs sensors, which I dont have.
- Rising engine speed limit rate, effectively a torque control.
Anti-lag uses the ISCV I believe and I understand its opertaion, but is it apllied to both maps and do you have a physical switch to turn it on and off?
- You can use the ICV (easiest on a road car) or a throttle jacker by choke cable or solenoid switch for more air in a motorsport application. You can add a physical switch to turn it on and off. Any motorsport function can be assigned to a range of spare ECU inputs. The base map comes with sensible defaults. It can also be turned on and off in software.
Launch control - Does this use a momentary push button to operate?
- LC is armed when vehicle speed=0. You set the LC vehicle disarm speed.
Flat Shift - How does the ecu know you are shifting? Is there an additional switch required on the clutch pedal?
- Yes, a brake switch is easiest on the clutch pedal, the bracket is already there.
Traction control - Again, how does the ecu determine wheel slip? I would assume one way would be to monitor abs sensors, which I dont have.
- Rising engine speed limit rate, effectively a torque control.
29 April 2014, 09:55 PM
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Answered some questions for me too. Thanks!
Got another one, can I personally assign a function to a spare ECU input using the ESL software? I refer to the anti lag in this case. Or has one been assigned for it already and it just needs wired?
Got another one, can I personally assign a function to a spare ECU input using the ESL software? I refer to the anti lag in this case. Or has one been assigned for it already and it just needs wired?
29 April 2014, 10:11 PM
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Hi Colin.
Yes, any function can be assigned to any spare input using software. There is also a switch inversion mask if required, depending on the switch type.
Some people like LC to be always on as you unlikely to just stand on the throttle with he clutch down without moving for any other reason than a launch. TC is considered part of LC and is assigned the same switch mask.
ALS tends to be always on a switch as pops and bangs aren't always appropriate.
By default, ALS and LC (+TC) are assigned to a particular input and the clutch switch to another. If no switches are present, the systems are all off, though they can be turned on permanently in software if required.
HTH
Yes, any function can be assigned to any spare input using software. There is also a switch inversion mask if required, depending on the switch type.
Some people like LC to be always on as you unlikely to just stand on the throttle with he clutch down without moving for any other reason than a launch. TC is considered part of LC and is assigned the same switch mask.
ALS tends to be always on a switch as pops and bangs aren't always appropriate.
By default, ALS and LC (+TC) are assigned to a particular input and the clutch switch to another. If no switches are present, the systems are all off, though they can be turned on permanently in software if required.
HTH
29 April 2014, 10:34 PM
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Thanks Andy,
Would I be right in saying that the car can be driven normally (if you can call it that!) with ALS enabled all the time and it doesn't need to be triggered by anything other than a mechanical switch?
LC can be triggered by installing the additional switch to the clutch, holding the clutch down and holding full throttle? Then TC will automatically do it's stuff after the launch?
Sounds excellent to me!
Have you got a new version of you installation/usage manual that explains these functions? That'll save me boiling your head lol
Would I be right in saying that the car can be driven normally (if you can call it that!) with ALS enabled all the time and it doesn't need to be triggered by anything other than a mechanical switch?
LC can be triggered by installing the additional switch to the clutch, holding the clutch down and holding full throttle? Then TC will automatically do it's stuff after the launch?
Sounds excellent to me!
Have you got a new version of you installation/usage manual that explains these functions? That'll save me boiling your head lol
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29 April 2014, 10:42 PM
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Thanks Andy,
Would I be right in saying that the car can be driven normally (if you can call it that!) with ALS enabled all the time and it doesn't need to be triggered by anything other than a mechanical switch?
LC can be triggered by installing the additional switch to the clutch, holding the clutch down and holding full throttle? Then TC will automatically do it's stuff after the launch?
Sounds excellent to me!
Have you got a new version of you installation/usage manual that explains these functions? That'll save me boiling your head lol
Would I be right in saying that the car can be driven normally (if you can call it that!) with ALS enabled all the time and it doesn't need to be triggered by anything other than a mechanical switch?
LC can be triggered by installing the additional switch to the clutch, holding the clutch down and holding full throttle? Then TC will automatically do it's stuff after the launch?
Sounds excellent to me!
Have you got a new version of you installation/usage manual that explains these functions? That'll save me boiling your head lol
LC doesn't need a clutch switch, is triggered by the vehicle speed sensor.
The TC ramp comes in after the LC is disarmed, although unless you are running 600hp or 165 section tyres it may not be required, it's only there for repeatability and the traction limited. It might well get you the best wet weather launch available. I used it int he snow last year, which meant I moved slowly forward instead of sitting there spinning all 4 wheels lol.
I'm writing the manual as we speak but stopped to answer the questions ahahah
30 April 2014, 11:12 AM
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HI Wayne
Anti-lag uses the ISCV I believe and I understand its opertaion, but is it apllied to both maps and do you have a physical switch to turn it on and off?
- You can use the ICV (easiest on a road car) or a throttle jacker by choke cable or solenoid switch for more air in a motorsport application. You can add a physical switch to turn it on and off. Any motorsport function can be assigned to a range of spare ECU inputs. The base map comes with sensible defaults. It can also be turned on and off in software.
Launch control - Does this use a momentary push button to operate?
- LC is armed when vehicle speed=0. You set the LC vehicle disarm speed.
Flat Shift - How does the ecu know you are shifting? Is there an additional switch required on the clutch pedal?
- Yes, a brake switch is easiest on the clutch pedal, the bracket is already there.
Traction control - Again, how does the ecu determine wheel slip? I would assume one way would be to monitor abs sensors, which I dont have.
- Rising engine speed limit rate, effectively a torque control.
Anti-lag uses the ISCV I believe and I understand its opertaion, but is it apllied to both maps and do you have a physical switch to turn it on and off?
- You can use the ICV (easiest on a road car) or a throttle jacker by choke cable or solenoid switch for more air in a motorsport application. You can add a physical switch to turn it on and off. Any motorsport function can be assigned to a range of spare ECU inputs. The base map comes with sensible defaults. It can also be turned on and off in software.
Launch control - Does this use a momentary push button to operate?
- LC is armed when vehicle speed=0. You set the LC vehicle disarm speed.
Flat Shift - How does the ecu know you are shifting? Is there an additional switch required on the clutch pedal?
- Yes, a brake switch is easiest on the clutch pedal, the bracket is already there.
Traction control - Again, how does the ecu determine wheel slip? I would assume one way would be to monitor abs sensors, which I dont have.
- Rising engine speed limit rate, effectively a torque control.
30 April 2014, 11:59 PM
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I run 2 maps, 1 for 95 Ron and low boost and the other for 99 Ron and high boost.
01 May 2014, 09:57 AM
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Fair point, I think it depends what the two maps are used for.
For most applications (different fuels, valet mode, towing map, etc) a switch is probably more for convenience, but has the danger of being switched inadvertently.
If it was just a simple high/low boost map then a switch could be handy, but there is always the question of what to do with the learned data.
For most applications (different fuels, valet mode, towing map, etc) a switch is probably more for convenience, but has the danger of being switched inadvertently.
If it was just a simple high/low boost map then a switch could be handy, but there is always the question of what to do with the learned data.
03 May 2014, 02:05 AM
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A 2 pole switch could turn on my injection controller and swap maps!
03 May 2014, 10:31 AM
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18 May 2014, 03:15 PM
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Ok, got the MS upgrade, Cheers Andy for that!
I want to use pins B135-13 and B136-18 for my LC/TC and ALS switches. These already have wiring to them, so do I just tap into that wire and switch it to ground?
What were these 2 pins intended for on the Sti if the wiring is already there?
I want to use pins B135-13 and B136-18 for my LC/TC and ALS switches. These already have wiring to them, so do I just tap into that wire and switch it to ground?
What were these 2 pins intended for on the Sti if the wiring is already there?
19 May 2014, 10:04 AM
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Hi Wayne, that's right, instructions here:
http://www.enduringsolutions.com/Motorsport.pdf
Each ECU has at least 2 spare inputs, related to things like Auto trans inputs etc.
LC doesnt need to be switched really, ALS deffo does, you need a brake switch on the clutch for flatshift.
Cheers
Andy
http://www.enduringsolutions.com/Motorsport.pdf
Each ECU has at least 2 spare inputs, related to things like Auto trans inputs etc.
LC doesnt need to be switched really, ALS deffo does, you need a brake switch on the clutch for flatshift.
Cheers
Andy
19 May 2014, 11:02 AM
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It set up by default as B135 pin 11 then as per the first paragraph of
http://www.enduringsolutions.com/Motorsport.pdf
although you can assign any function to any spare input.
http://www.enduringsolutions.com/Motorsport.pdf
although you can assign any function to any spare input.
19 May 2014, 09:09 PM
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It set up by default as B135 pin 11 then as per the first paragraph of
http://www.enduringsolutions.com/Motorsport.pdf
although you can assign any function to any spare input.
http://www.enduringsolutions.com/Motorsport.pdf
although you can assign any function to any spare input.
I suppose from that point of view then I could switch lc/tc on permanently in the ecu anyway. But, where's the fun in that. If it's possible to assign another pin to a switch then I'm the sort of person that just has to do just that.
Tried the als the other day and its good even though I get very little lag on the vf23 anyway. I was wondering if this could be set to only switch on after a certain vehicle speed. Is there any point of it being activated on stationary idle?
Great work though! Cant believe I nearly stayed Pfc.
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It's all controlled by the switch masks. 0 is always off, 128 is always on, and the table of switch inputs on p.2. assign it to a spare ECU input. I set the default image up to switch everything on and off on B135 pin 11.
LC might as well always be on as when do you ever sit with the car stationary and the throttle pinned down? But you can add it to a switch as well if you prefer.
ALS doesn't have a speed based rule, I'm not sure why you would want to? 90% of people want it for the noise rather than competition. You could use reinjection to turn it on and off for particular engine speeds if you wanted.
It all worked well on our demo car. 1.6s 60ft on 205 section tyres at Pod was nice
LC might as well always be on as when do you ever sit with the car stationary and the throttle pinned down? But you can add it to a switch as well if you prefer.
ALS doesn't have a speed based rule, I'm not sure why you would want to? 90% of people want it for the noise rather than competition. You could use reinjection to turn it on and off for particular engine speeds if you wanted.
It all worked well on our demo car. 1.6s 60ft on 205 section tyres at Pod was nice