LINK OWNERS - What performance increases have you seen with your Link?
21 February 2002, 02:14 PM
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Just purchaaaaassssedd one 
Wanted to get a general idea on what sort of changes people have experienced once fitted. I currently have an RB5 WR...
so ppp'd, de-cat scoobysport exhaust and ITG panel.
I have got the link for big things in the future but just want an Idea of what to expect?
Wanted to get a general idea on what sort of changes people have experienced once fitted. I currently have an RB5 WR...
so ppp'd, de-cat scoobysport exhaust and ITG panel.
I have got the link for big things in the future but just want an Idea of what to expect?
21 February 2002, 04:13 PM
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its up to you.
depends how much boost you want to run.
If you stick with standard boost, then bob can optimise fuelling and ignition, and you would be amazed how much difference this alone can make.
You are limited by your turbo (TD04) which unfortunately is a piddly little thing.
I think you would struggle to get this beyond 300bhp.
but if you are prepared to play with all the settings available, I dont see why bob shouldnt be able to get you 300bhp from your car assuming you have exhaust and filter already.
the beauty of a mappable ecu is that it lets you properly take advantage of future mods, the problem being a trip back to bob every time!
depends how much boost you want to run.
If you stick with standard boost, then bob can optimise fuelling and ignition, and you would be amazed how much difference this alone can make.
You are limited by your turbo (TD04) which unfortunately is a piddly little thing.
I think you would struggle to get this beyond 300bhp.
but if you are prepared to play with all the settings available, I dont see why bob shouldnt be able to get you 300bhp from your car assuming you have exhaust and filter already.
the beauty of a mappable ecu is that it lets you properly take advantage of future mods, the problem being a trip back to bob every time!
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21 February 2002, 04:34 PM
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Had the Link package installed a few weeks ago by Bob and Branko. The results are impressive. Boost comes on earlier and smoothly, with 1.2 bar max. Whilst acceleration in the lower gears is - err "quick" the really useful thing is the 5th gear performance. I never reckoned much on the performance in 5th, especially after being in my sons 315lbft Cossie!, but now it`s excellent, the torque figure must be way up (feel a r/r session coming on!)
There are just a couple of niggles to sort out which should be delt with at the map check which I hope will be soon. (Hint,hint if you`re listening Bob)
So - DON`T get one,I don`t like the thought of all those Scoobs out there just like mine!
JohnD 99MY - UK
[Edited by JohnD - 2/21/2002 4:36:23 PM]
There are just a couple of niggles to sort out which should be delt with at the map check which I hope will be soon. (Hint,hint if you`re listening Bob)
So - DON`T get one,I don`t like the thought of all those Scoobs out there just like mine!
JohnD 99MY - UK
[Edited by JohnD - 2/21/2002 4:36:23 PM]
21 February 2002, 05:45 PM
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echo what JohnD said.
heres a graph from PE showing the difference between link & non link on my car, although they are from different days so dont know if is a fair comparison.
Mark
heres a graph from PE showing the difference between link & non link on my car, although they are from different days so dont know if is a fair comparison.
Mark
21 February 2002, 07:17 PM
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Plantie,
B4 the link was fitted the car was standard apart from a SM DP and HKS Hiper exhaust, this got 234bhp. I then got the link + HKS filter and mapped by BRD
- Cars been great, only problem is u get used to the power difference too quickly, about a week and things feel normal again
No idea if you'll get an increase over the PPP - I thought the PPP was only good for 250?
Mark
B4 the link was fitted the car was standard apart from a SM DP and HKS Hiper exhaust, this got 234bhp. I then got the link + HKS filter and mapped by BRD
- Cars been great, only problem is u get used to the power difference too quickly, about a week and things feel normal again No idea if you'll get an increase over the PPP - I thought the PPP was only good for 250?
Mark
22 February 2002, 12:28 AM
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Plantie,
Put it this way, as far as i`m concerned the link is probably 1 of the best things i`ve had yet. After the last remap it`s like a different car. Boost comes on a lot quicker, at full boost by 3000 rpm and holds all the way to redline. Thats with a td05.
Last dyno result was 304bhp @ fly, haven`t re-dyno`d since the remap but it feels loads qwicker. Not just that it is not detting.
It`s also pulling a lot better (like a loco)
Pete
Put it this way, as far as i`m concerned the link is probably 1 of the best things i`ve had yet. After the last remap it`s like a different car. Boost comes on a lot quicker, at full boost by 3000 rpm and holds all the way to redline. Thats with a td05.
Last dyno result was 304bhp @ fly, haven`t re-dyno`d since the remap but it feels loads qwicker. Not just that it is not detting.
It`s also pulling a lot better (like a loco)
Pete
22 February 2002, 09:29 AM
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Trout this is all your fault....
Since you blasted by me on the M3.. I've been dreaming about more power.... ****Plantie in a daze****
Can't wait!
Catch ya soon!
Since you blasted by me on the M3.. I've been dreaming about more power.... ****Plantie in a daze****
Can't wait!
Catch ya soon!
22 February 2002, 10:11 AM
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Plantie
My car was "standard" before conversion, other than - s/s lagged downpipe, Magnex b/b and K&N panel filter.
(I had the car on the rollers at Power Engineering when it was only 5000 miles old and with just the b/b changed and it gave 242bhp/230lbft)
Got a feeling you would find a better spread of power/torque with the link over the PPP
JohnD
My car was "standard" before conversion, other than - s/s lagged downpipe, Magnex b/b and K&N panel filter.
(I had the car on the rollers at Power Engineering when it was only 5000 miles old and with just the b/b changed and it gave 242bhp/230lbft)
Got a feeling you would find a better spread of power/torque with the link over the PPP
JohnD
22 February 2002, 10:14 AM
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I was not a fan of the PPP until I had a shot of john banks with the d/p and Dawes.I have chased a few PPP cars on track and driven a few on the road and never been that impressed,not for £1700 anyway,but if you take the time to set the boost,like john has,the gains are far better.his car p1sses over my MY00 decatted in a straight line, unlike the other cars that pulled away slowly but not that convincingly.his car also out performs Linked cars of similar spec,although not mapped by BRD at the scottish r/r days.
in my opinion,if you are running a standard turbo and top mount,a well set PPP will give similar gains to a Link ECU.
in my opinion,if you are running a standard turbo and top mount,a well set PPP will give similar gains to a Link ECU.
22 February 2002, 07:02 PM
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Guys it would be really nice if you could tell us at what boost you reach the power figures
When I had my Unichip fitted, I got basically no peak power increase as long as boost was held the same, the power came on a lot quicker and the curve was much "nicer" though...
We then increased boost from 12 to 14.5PSI and got ~20HP more power (260HP), so I'd say it makes a helluva difference, let it then be Link or anything else, at what boost you're running. Therefore, I think it's only fair if you'd let us know if you're running 15 or 22PSI when you give the peak power figures...
* Miki *
When I had my Unichip fitted, I got basically no peak power increase as long as boost was held the same, the power came on a lot quicker and the curve was much "nicer" though...
We then increased boost from 12 to 14.5PSI and got ~20HP more power (260HP), so I'd say it makes a helluva difference, let it then be Link or anything else, at what boost you're running. Therefore, I think it's only fair if you'd let us know if you're running 15 or 22PSI when you give the peak power figures...
* Miki *
22 February 2002, 08:17 PM
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Miki,
My last figure was at 0.8bar with FMIC fitted, after remapping
I`m now running 1.4bar as the FMIC allows it w/o det, so should be interesting to c wot the new result is.
Something that I don`t think any1 has mentioned yet is that the link in itself is just another building block. Yes the PPP may well be decent enough in its own right, however with the link
being a programmable it can be adapted to take full advantage of any other upgrades the owner may do in future. It is also more cost effective than the said PPP, and with the right choice of
additional parts it will blow the PPP out of the picture.
For info I have only seen 2 imprezas break the 300 mark on Star Performances dyno (the one we use for the Scottish RR results). Both of them had possums fitted
Pete
Pete
My last figure was at 0.8bar with FMIC fitted, after remapping
I`m now running 1.4bar as the FMIC allows it w/o det, so should be interesting to c wot the new result is.
Something that I don`t think any1 has mentioned yet is that the link in itself is just another building block. Yes the PPP may well be decent enough in its own right, however with the link
being a programmable it can be adapted to take full advantage of any other upgrades the owner may do in future. It is also more cost effective than the said PPP, and with the right choice of
additional parts it will blow the PPP out of the picture.
For info I have only seen 2 imprezas break the 300 mark on Star Performances dyno (the one we use for the Scottish RR results). Both of them had possums fitted
Pete
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22 February 2002, 10:15 PM
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Miki - ScoobyJawa and I are both running the Dawes. We both had them fitted by a rolling road @ PE, and the figures we got were 266bhp and 257 lbs/ft and 268bhp and 251 lbs/ft respectively. ScoobyJawa asked during the run what PSI he was running at and the engineer said 15 . I forgot to ask! 
However, I didn't have time to set mine up properly as I was running late for PE, but I think I was probably around the same PSI mark judging by the boost gauge.
The turbo is provide boost from around 2½k and holds upto 6k. In forth and fifth we are holding 1.1 bar. (Now it's set up properly ) The power tails off slightly after 6k.
The increase in my performance was around 15bhp and 20lbs/ft See here for a dyno graph.
Obviously we are restricted to what we can do, and if we required more boost we would need to look at a Link or equivalent, along with new turbos, intercoolers, etc.... But for $35 I'm not complaining!
Sorry Plantie for hijacking your thread
[Edited by Scott W - 2/22/2002 10:16:25 PM]
. I forgot to ask! However, I didn't have time to set mine up properly as I was running late for PE, but I think I was probably around the same PSI mark judging by the boost gauge.The turbo is provide boost from around 2½k and holds upto 6k.
In forth and fifth we are holding 1.1 bar. (Now it's set up properly ) The power tails off slightly after 6k.The increase in my performance was around 15bhp and 20lbs/ft
See here for a dyno graph.Obviously we are restricted to what we can do, and if we required more boost we would need to look at a Link or equivalent, along with new turbos, intercoolers, etc....
But for $35 I'm not complaining! Sorry Plantie for hijacking your thread
[Edited by Scott W - 2/22/2002 10:16:25 PM]
23 February 2002, 09:15 AM
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Sorry Plantie, this is getting a bit off from the initial subject...
As said, I'm now running 14.5PSI boost (no spike, both peak and held, Turbosmart DS GBCV) which resulted in 190Kw/258HP @ 6530rpm and 314Nm @ 4530rpm. As soon as I get hold of a decent, not too expensive (no DIY thingy though) FCD/FCL I'm planning on setting the high boost level around 18PSI which "should" take me near the 280HP mark. Since I can run the car with a lower setting during "normal" driving, I hope it can handle an occasionly 18PSI... or maybe 19...
I don't have any Link experience, it's in fact quite unknown here in Finland, I don't know of anyone running a Subaru on Link. Anyway, the workshop which did my Unichip installation (www.stmotors.fi, sorry can't remember how to add an url) did their first Unichip on my car, could well be I'm driving the only Unichip Impreza in Finland! The guy who did the mapping said Unichip is a nice tool, would be interesting to know what he'd think of the Link... Here the price for the Link is the double compared to Unichip, so I didn't even think twice when I chose mine, but maybe it would have been worth it.
* Miki *
Impreza MY95 Wagon
Unichip
2,5" Ferrita race-cat exhaust
MRT rampod
Sti pistons (according to the prevoius owner, but I doubt it)
Turbosmart DS GBCV Boost Controller
Edited to list mods
[Edited by Miki - 2/23/2002 9:22:22 AM]
As said, I'm now running 14.5PSI boost (no spike, both peak and held, Turbosmart DS GBCV) which resulted in 190Kw/258HP @ 6530rpm and 314Nm @ 4530rpm. As soon as I get hold of a decent, not too expensive (no DIY thingy though) FCD/FCL I'm planning on setting the high boost level around 18PSI which "should" take me near the 280HP mark. Since I can run the car with a lower setting during "normal" driving, I hope it can handle an occasionly 18PSI... or maybe 19...
I don't have any Link experience, it's in fact quite unknown here in Finland, I don't know of anyone running a Subaru on Link. Anyway, the workshop which did my Unichip installation (www.stmotors.fi, sorry can't remember how to add an url) did their first Unichip on my car, could well be I'm driving the only Unichip Impreza in Finland! The guy who did the mapping said Unichip is a nice tool, would be interesting to know what he'd think of the Link... Here the price for the Link is the double compared to Unichip, so I didn't even think twice when I chose mine, but maybe it would have been worth it.
* Miki *
Impreza MY95 Wagon
Unichip
2,5" Ferrita race-cat exhaust
MRT rampod
Sti pistons (according to the prevoius owner, but I doubt it)
Turbosmart DS GBCV Boost Controller
Edited to list mods
[Edited by Miki - 2/23/2002 9:22:22 AM]
23 February 2002, 10:04 AM
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pete,
totally agree with you by the way.as soon as you make big modifications you can't beat a mappable ECU.are you going to get into the high 12's if it's on tomorrow?
totally agree with you by the way.as soon as you make big modifications you can't beat a mappable ECU.are you going to get into the high 12's if it's on tomorrow?
23 February 2002, 10:12 AM
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T-uk,
Should do m8, but depends on my launches this year.
Don`t wanna have to get gearbox number 4 this year
If u r there gimme a shout
(sorry 4 the hijacking Plantie)
Pete
Should do m8, but depends on my launches this year.
Don`t wanna have to get gearbox number 4 this year
If u r there gimme a shout
(sorry 4 the hijacking Plantie)
Pete
24 February 2002, 10:47 AM
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just FYI my RB5 (with PPP and decat) hit 265bhp and 257lbs of torque at the last P.E. day. It's also running at 16psi boost.
Let me know how it goes Plantie as I'm seriosly thinking of getting some extra kit for my RB5 i.e. Apexi Boost and Fuel controllers, uprated fuel pump, induction kit, VF22, FMIC etc... I want about 330bhp...
Have any of you guys got a Unichip piggyback thing? I mailed APS in Australia and they reckon they are great as you get a good boost in power as well as retaining the cars startup and general potter-around ability. On the other hand, there is always Motec...
M
Let me know how it goes Plantie as I'm seriosly thinking of getting some extra kit for my RB5 i.e. Apexi Boost and Fuel controllers, uprated fuel pump, induction kit, VF22, FMIC etc... I want about 330bhp...
Have any of you guys got a Unichip piggyback thing? I mailed APS in Australia and they reckon they are great as you get a good boost in power as well as retaining the cars startup and general potter-around ability. On the other hand, there is always Motec...
M
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