Forced Induction Tuning - A G Bell
23 May 2003, 12:06 PM
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i have just received said book, appears to be very good, possibly with a bit more info than "maximum Boost" by Corky Bell. Covers, cams, head porting, ignition, nitrous and lots more.
Will post a more detailed review when I've read some.
paul
Will post a more detailed review when I've read some.
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23 May 2003, 02:13 PM
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Covers nitrous in q fair bit of detail. Plumbing, activation, afr, cams (specific to nitrous).
Also covers some ignition, exhausts, intercooling, fuel and additives (NF touted as best comercial additive).
it also covers anti-lag...
Paul
[Edited by Pavlo - 5/23/2003 2:29:48 PM]
Also covers some ignition, exhausts, intercooling, fuel and additives (NF touted as best comercial additive).
it also covers anti-lag...
Paul
[Edited by Pavlo - 5/23/2003 2:29:48 PM]
23 May 2003, 03:24 PM
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Been there, read that... Big thumbs up for this book. 
Having had a copy of the excellent "Four stroke performance tuning" by the same author on loan from Pat for ages, I bought Pat and I copies of this newer book ("Forced induction performance tuning") pretty much as soon as it was published, back in late 2002.
It is, as with the previous book, extremely well written and an absolute wealth of practical information derived through the authors many years of engine tuning, much of it using engine dynos to give useful comparative figures. IMHO, It really does do a better job than Corky Bell's Maximum Boost. The author goes into a good, practical, level of detail on pretty much every area you could want, including Nitrous Oxide and exotic fuels.
I am glad to see how highly rated Paul is in Adam's eyes. I am sure that both Pat and myself have recommended this book to him on at least a couple of occasions in the past 6 months, but evidently our opinions don't matter at all to him... (sniff) 
Moray
Having had a copy of the excellent "Four stroke performance tuning" by the same author on loan from Pat for ages, I bought Pat and I copies of this newer book ("Forced induction performance tuning") pretty much as soon as it was published, back in late 2002.
It is, as with the previous book, extremely well written and an absolute wealth of practical information derived through the authors many years of engine tuning, much of it using engine dynos to give useful comparative figures. IMHO, It really does do a better job than Corky Bell's Maximum Boost.
The author goes into a good, practical, level of detail on pretty much every area you could want, including Nitrous Oxide and exotic fuels. I am glad to see how highly rated Paul is in Adam's eyes.
I am sure that both Pat and myself have recommended this book to him on at least a couple of occasions in the past 6 months, but evidently our opinions don't matter at all to him... (sniff) Moray
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23 May 2003, 04:57 PM
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Moray,
you should know that your opinion only counts if you post it on here!
I agree with it being better than Maximum boost. It's paticularly useful for us as it has numerous references to the Subaru EJ engines.
I have also read his Two and Four stroke general books, which is why I chose this over MB.
Paul
you should know that your opinion only counts if you post it on here!
I agree with it being better than Maximum boost. It's paticularly useful for us as it has numerous references to the Subaru EJ engines.
I have also read his Two and Four stroke general books, which is why I chose this over MB.
Paul
23 May 2003, 05:35 PM
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MB is still probably 'the best' as an intro - sort of skims over the details in an easy way to read, without making stuff up
But a little basic... and confusing with all the 'inches per square banana' & dividing everything by 542.132 to get it back into a unit that at least vaguely makes sense, that always goes with the US way of doing things...
But a little basic... and confusing with all the 'inches per square banana' & dividing everything by 542.132 to get it back into a unit that at least vaguely makes sense, that always goes with the US way of doing things...
23 May 2003, 07:16 PM
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Au contraire You don't need to whilst I am still behind you on power 
You can borrow mine BTW after I've ripped out all the pages that will help you go quicker.
You don't need to whilst I am still behind you on power You can borrow mine BTW after I've ripped out all the pages that will help you go quicker.
23 May 2003, 08:53 PM
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I'm very interested in said book as my thesis is on turbocharged car. Does anyone knows how much it costs? I'm also looking for blueprints of either the EJ20 engine or an Rb18DET engine (200sx). Its mostly to do with my CFD modelling (CFX because its cheapish for me ). Andy? John? Pavlo? <Insert Tuning Guru name here>?
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). Andy? John? Pavlo? <Insert Tuning Guru name here>? [Edited by Katana - 5/23/2003 8:53:37 PM]
23 May 2003, 09:39 PM
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Katana,
CFD of an engine covers a multitude of sins. Best results I've seen have been with Laser Doppler Anemometry of clear acrylic castings (and flow visualisation of same).
What are you trying to do exactly? I would be interested to hear via email.
Paul
CFD of an engine covers a multitude of sins. Best results I've seen have been with Laser Doppler Anemometry of clear acrylic castings (and flow visualisation of same).
What are you trying to do exactly? I would be interested to hear via email.
Paul
23 May 2003, 10:26 PM
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Hi Pavlo. All I'm doing is trying to see the temperature, flow etc in the head of the area. I've only just learnt how to use the package (CFX). I've been warned by my supervisor that its going to be a b*tch to do as its a forced induction engine and that I should've done a normally aspirated engine but I was stubborn.
I'd appreciate any tips you can give me on the package and any pitfalls that I might encounter. Best still if you can give me the blueprints, I'd love you for life.
I'd appreciate any tips you can give me on the package and any pitfalls that I might encounter. Best still if you can give me the blueprints, I'd love you for life.
24 May 2003, 11:00 AM
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you would love my life? Hmm, me thinks you wouldn't. Besides I'm currenlty designing paper handling machines. The CFD work I've done at work has been telecoms systems cooling, the auto stuff was uni.
I really think you have bitten of more than you can chew. Firstly for a thesis you need an aim, proposition, question or whatever, exactly what is it you intend to find out?
If you're looking at flow, will it be steady state or transient? In other words do you want to look at the interaction of the pumping cycle or just steady flow?
If you want to look at the pump cycle too, then start off with ideal gas model and look purely at pressure waves, average gas speeds etc. Then feed thay back in as in input in a finite model.
I can't remember what CFX uses, is that the STAR based system? Pretty sure it uses cartesian grid rather than free formed mesh. If it does that takes a lot of aggro out from a modelling point of view, but you will struggle with getting accuracy and general solution convergence, grid can be tweaked though.
i think a good start would be develop a 1D model first, so you have tract lengths, pressure sources and resistances etc. Use that to generate info you can use in a more detailed model and vica versa. It's much quicker to run lots of simple calcs in a spreadsheet that to remodel and resolve your head problem over and over.
Such is the scope of the area of interest, I think you need to choose a very specific area of research, one which you can draw definitive conclusions about and write a well structured thesis around. Otherwise you will just skirt around the subject, discover nothing in paticular and answer nothing spectular. Of course this will be marked accordingly.
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I really think you have bitten of more than you can chew. Firstly for a thesis you need an aim, proposition, question or whatever, exactly what is it you intend to find out?
If you're looking at flow, will it be steady state or transient? In other words do you want to look at the interaction of the pumping cycle or just steady flow?
If you want to look at the pump cycle too, then start off with ideal gas model and look purely at pressure waves, average gas speeds etc. Then feed thay back in as in input in a finite model.
I can't remember what CFX uses, is that the STAR based system? Pretty sure it uses cartesian grid rather than free formed mesh. If it does that takes a lot of aggro out from a modelling point of view, but you will struggle with getting accuracy and general solution convergence, grid can be tweaked though.
i think a good start would be develop a 1D model first, so you have tract lengths, pressure sources and resistances etc. Use that to generate info you can use in a more detailed model and vica versa. It's much quicker to run lots of simple calcs in a spreadsheet that to remodel and resolve your head problem over and over.
Such is the scope of the area of interest, I think you need to choose a very specific area of research, one which you can draw definitive conclusions about and write a well structured thesis around. Otherwise you will just skirt around the subject, discover nothing in paticular and answer nothing spectular. Of course this will be marked accordingly.
Paul
02 June 2003, 12:48 PM
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Pavlo,
Just back from a week off.
Re: "you should know that your opinion only counts if you post it on here!"...
I did express my opinion, on more than one occasion, to Adam. I guess you must be right, if an opinion has not been posted on scoobynet, its not worth considering.
PS: this book does contain large sections of text that have been lifted/edited slightly from 4 stroke performance tuning... so I would recommend going for this book on it's own first as it should cover pretty much all the important stuff for our engines.
Moray
Just back from a week off.
Re: "you should know that your opinion only counts if you post it on here!"...
I did express my opinion, on more than one occasion, to Adam. I guess you must be right, if an opinion has not been posted on scoobynet, its not worth considering.
PS: this book does contain large sections of text that have been lifted/edited slightly from 4 stroke performance tuning... so I would recommend going for this book on it's own first as it should cover pretty much all the important stuff for our engines.
Moray
02 June 2003, 04:35 PM
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moray you are mistaken.
pat has never mentioned readng this book. Had he recommended it I would have listened.
you may well have said something, and had I been awake I would have listened!
pat has never mentioned readng this book. Had he recommended it I would have listened.
you may well have said something, and had I been awake I would have listened!
02 June 2003, 04:53 PM
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I've seen some of those graphs a long time ago. I think if anything CB may have lifted them from a common source, or indeed "4 stroke tuning in theory and practice".
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