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Having already said i think i may go to the Link system, and then agreeing to sell my Tek2, which i will honour on saturday, i am now thinking which would be better?

I would like pros and cons of both please, if you have the time.

Things like cost, remapping, subaru dealer knowledge, other requirements, etc, etc.

Many thanks in anticipation

SPD

john banks

Discuss it with Bob.

Pavlo

Link, go on you know it makes sense!

Alternatively Gems plug in jobbie, Don't think bd supplies, but would map similar to Link and motec etc.

Also Autronic plug in jobbie, same applies for mapping.

Bob may have some better reasoning....

Some say the link makes no power, personally, I think if you can put the right amount of fuel in, fire it at the right time, it doesn't matter how you do it. Just a case of features/preferences/toys (anti lag etc)

Paul

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Cheers John, i hope Bob comes here as i have suggested from the Walbro Fuel pump thread.

Either way looks like someone, has a cheap TEK2!

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Anti lag!!! you saying the Link has Anti Lag???

Somebody please hide my credit card!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mega_stream

There was a 2nd hand link setup for sale a while back, ecu, 3 port solonoid, knock and lamba monitors also.
£600 or so I think..
Add £350 to get this setup and you got a cheap setup (if its still available)

J

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Cant seem to find it, can you remember which thread it was?

ozzy

Chris from Scotland was selling his (The_Gza) on here. He's selling is Pug at the moment in the For Sale forum, so it's worth dropping him some mail.

He sold his Scooby 3 months ago, but was selling the Link seperately (it was for a MY99 IIRC).

Stefan

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Ta, will check it out.

David_Wallis

I would go for the link unless ecutek want to release there software to someone near leeds.

David

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I think i am coming to that conclusion David

Pavlo

Check it, autronics web page, sounds like the danglies. A number of people on te MLR have them, but if you can get Bob to map it that's even better, simply because the guy that distributes them here seems to charge el'plentio.

http://www.turbofast.com.au/autronic/autronic.html

Better than the link features wise, price might be okay (built in pressure sensor is nice).

Paul

Adam M

you cant just ask link or ecutek.

what do you want from your ecu?

I like the fact that the ecutek retains all the features of the stadnard ecu.

I dont like the fact that you cant map it real time, you have to make a change then go back and test whether it was right or not.

but then it doesnt have antilag!

Would also like to ask bob what is the resolution of the ecutek map.

I also like the fact that there is no way of tellign that any mod has been carried out by looking at the ecu.

Pavlo

Ecutek map is 16x16 for fuel and ignition, with definable load and rpm points. Boost is 8x8 as is boost duty cycle.

Link et all would do away with MAF sensor, which on the later cars is just another thing to go wrong if it stays on the car.

Paul

dowser

Adam - JEC's maps allows both axis' full scaling resolution, move the load points wherever you like. You're limited only by the number of load points (different # for each map).

Richard

Adam M

now that is a nice feature. You can concentrate the resolution where it is needed most.


Ahh, if only my pectel had that, oh yes it does.

Am I right in thinking that it will still have the same poor boost control of the standard car?

in that respect i think the aftermarket ecus would be better.

As I have said on 22B before, I am leaning more towards the jems, and away fromt he link, as for not much more money it seems to bridge the gap feature wise to the likes of motec etc. A lot of thought has gone into the features, and personally I think it is very well specced.

For simplicity though, and retaining standard idle etc which is a beautiful thing, I cant deny the attractiveness of the ecutek.

Pavlo

Standard boost control seems okay on mine, a 96 ecu. But that uses the 3 port solenoid (not excellent I know, but better than factory 2 port).

I know JB has used dawes on a few cars, but I would bit the bullet and shell out for a 3 port solenoid.

Again fully definable scales on boost map.

Haven't tried it with any stronger actuators though ('cause I
don't have any!).

If you are going to be doing more mods in future, the Tek3 route is little different to the tek 2 as soon as you change. I would go for a link on the basis that they are not so feature packed, and you are less likely to get yourself into a mess once bob has left you to it.

Paul

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Going with the link, paid deposit, roll on the 19th October

dowser

Not played too much with 2 port and the OE turbo, but can confirm 2 port sucks big-time with a vf23 and decent breathing

3 port is a different case altogether - I won't say perfect boost control (that's reserved for the Dawes!), but it is very, very good once the maps match the turbo.

Richard

Mr J

I been using a 2-port on a MY99 with a link and a VF30
and I get a bit of overboost 0.1bar..but I put down my Wg sense quite a bit.

dowser have you experienced a lot of overboost with the 2-port ??

/Kvarnis

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Kvarnis

I was indeed - I found it too difficult to find the right duties to even get close to what the turbo wanted, the 3 port clarified it big-time.

Having said that, with the 3 port and an 18.1psi target I'm still getting upto 2.5psi overboost briefly worst case...doesn't seem to be an issue and I'm not too worried.

For the cost of a 3 port, I'd recommend trying it!

Richard

cwal1

Does anyone know the part number and cost for the 3 port solenoid, I'll be needing one when my engine comes back from the rebuild.

Chris.

Scott W

Chris you can buy a 3 port solenoid from Bob Rawle at BRD circa £140 I think.

Pavlo

It's worth noting the duty cycles on the 96 ecu which is mapped for the bigger turbo.

The rpm points are stacked in 200 rpm increments around 3300 rpm where the turbo is spooling up. Stretching out to 2000 rpm higher up.

Paul

EMS

I did about 4 VF23 cars with EcuTek and standard 2 port solenoid. Absolutely no problems controlling the boost!

It´s not the boostcontrol of the JECS which S**KS, it´s the std. mapping of the boost control that doesn´t suit "free breathing" cars. (overshoot)

Mark.

David_Wallis

steven get the tuning module and then next time im in your car ill mess it all up for you... (lots of bore wash then ill beat you at well lane..)

David

dowser

Hi Mark,

My problem was that with the 2 port I couldn't identify what was wrong, fitting the 3 port allowed me to see what was going on immediately.

I will try a 2 port again (now I know what was wrong with the OE map ), but suspect the creep introduced by it will mess up the response too much. Were your vf23's on the .7 bar actuators?

Cheers
Richard

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LOL@DW

Will probably get tuning module later, will wait to see what it does, courtosey of Mr Trout if he does not mind.

Mr J

Dowser

My Problem, is that I get around 0.1 bar of the target boost...so far and having a bit of problem getting it down in high rpm.

But will have to see how the boost in going to act when the temps start crawling down bellow 0 deg C ..
It's been a freaking hot summer this year.

But I got some tips from an old fish, reg. 2-port tuning

/Kvarnis