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22 February 2011, 05:25 PM
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That's better, Oh, that's much better.
I know its a PC issue but perhaps others are having problems with Windows (bloody) Vista?
I've had a nightmare, laptop constantly crashing, windows shutting down all the time etc etc.
So I've managed to upgrade to windows 7, the difference is amazing, like having oil in your car engine....
I've had a nightmare, laptop constantly crashing, windows shutting down all the time etc etc.
So I've managed to upgrade to windows 7, the difference is amazing, like having oil in your car engine....
22 February 2011, 05:37 PM
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I wasnt having issues until a couple of weeks ago and now it's crashing like a good un, blue screen at least once a day 
My wife has the 7 disc, came with her lappy, any reason why I cant install on this on the PC ?
My wife has the 7 disc, came with her lappy, any reason why I cant install on this on the PC ?
22 February 2011, 05:48 PM
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By install win 7, all you've done is basically what a clean slate re-install would do. Win 7 is basically teh same platform but with some tweeks to improve start up speeds.
If you are getting blue screens do the following:
Full backup of personal data (should do this anyway)
De-fluff the cooling fans (laptops especially as they overheat easily, this may require disassembly)
Wipe clean hard drive, then do a clean slate install without all the OEM junk.
Other things that can be done:
Disable indexing
Defrag (defraggler)
Disable unneeded startup programs (use ccleaner)
Remove useless toolbars from browsers (yahoo toolbar, google toolbar etc).
Crap clean (with CCleaner)
Reg clean
memtest (memtest86+ or windows diagnostics memory test)
Install more RAM.
If you are getting blue screens do the following:
Full backup of personal data (should do this anyway)
De-fluff the cooling fans (laptops especially as they overheat easily, this may require disassembly)
Wipe clean hard drive, then do a clean slate install without all the OEM junk.
Other things that can be done:
Disable indexing
Defrag (defraggler)
Disable unneeded startup programs (use ccleaner)
Remove useless toolbars from browsers (yahoo toolbar, google toolbar etc).
Crap clean (with CCleaner)
Reg clean
memtest (memtest86+ or windows diagnostics memory test)
Install more RAM.
Last edited by ALi-B; 22 February 2011 at 05:52 PM.
22 February 2011, 06:27 PM
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That doesn't tie in with what I read after its inception. Vista was roundly slated by all and sundry including the butcher's dog for being flakey and not working with numerous applications that ran fine on XP. A large number of people had XP retro-installed to Vista machines. Windows 7 is the solution to Vista.
22 February 2011, 06:32 PM
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I expect it is licensed to your missus laptop so although you could install it, when you go online it will probably be detected as an illegal install by Microsoft as Windows 7 automatically checks for updates/fixes.
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22 February 2011, 07:16 PM
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That doesn't tie in with what I read after its inception. Vista was roundly slated by all and sundry including the butcher's dog for being flakey and not working with numerous applications that ran fine on XP. A large number of people had XP retro-installed to Vista machines. Windows 7 is the solution to Vista.
Although I agree that vista is a big bag o crap, 7 just looks shiney but it'll be the same old story again in a couple of years.
22 February 2011, 08:28 PM
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If you want Win 7 for free you can head over to "My digital life" forums and have a look around there. That will help you look at your activation options.
22 February 2011, 09:01 PM
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W7 was brilliant when I upgraded - bar not being compatible with my DVD drive.
Which is highly useful considering now I need to re-install it, I can't
Which is highly useful considering now I need to re-install it, I can't
22 February 2011, 09:16 PM
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By install win 7, all you've done is basically what a clean slate re-install would do. Win 7 is basically teh same platform but with some tweeks to improve start up speeds.
If you are getting blue screens do the following:
Full backup of personal data (should do this anyway)
De-fluff the cooling fans (laptops especially as they overheat easily, this may require disassembly)
Wipe clean hard drive, then do a clean slate install without all the OEM junk.
Other things that can be done:
Disable indexing
Defrag (defraggler)
Disable unneeded startup programs (use ccleaner)
Remove useless toolbars from browsers (yahoo toolbar, google toolbar etc).
Crap clean (with CCleaner)
Reg clean
memtest (memtest86+ or windows diagnostics memory test)
Install more RAM.
If you are getting blue screens do the following:
Full backup of personal data (should do this anyway)
De-fluff the cooling fans (laptops especially as they overheat easily, this may require disassembly)
Wipe clean hard drive, then do a clean slate install without all the OEM junk.
Other things that can be done:
Disable indexing
Defrag (defraggler)
Disable unneeded startup programs (use ccleaner)
Remove useless toolbars from browsers (yahoo toolbar, google toolbar etc).
Crap clean (with CCleaner)
Reg clean
memtest (memtest86+ or windows diagnostics memory test)
Install more RAM.
um, sound advice on general maintenance though
Last edited by bioforger; 22 February 2011 at 09:19 PM.
22 February 2011, 09:31 PM
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+1, 90% of that maintenance can be done via windows, all that stand alone s/ware is needless
22 February 2011, 09:32 PM
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btw Win7 service pack 1 is out now, I've just installed it all seems ok, although it took forever to install ~30mins including dload. There's nothing much to mention it's pretty boring as service packs goes, mostly a refresh on Win updates and few other tweaks.
22 February 2011, 09:46 PM
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Modern machine, Win7 or XP. Older machine XP, simples
22 February 2011, 09:51 PM
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at the Vista hatred. I ran it for a couple of years without issue and as for speed my Vista install took the same time to boot to the desktop as my win7 install on the same hardware. It did need a decent spec machine to run though so if it was installed on dated hardware then it was never going to work well.Win7 is far more user friendly and a very stable OS so a no brainer now. Those pushing Linux, yep its good for free but it's not a touch on Windows if that is what you have been used to for years. Tried Ubuntu and Suse and didn't find them anything special that i'd drop Windows for. Only alternative to Windows I really like is OSX.
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22 February 2011, 10:44 PM
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I bought two Vista machines, one desktop and one laptop, both were an object lesson in frustration, one got Win 7 and was a reformed character, the other, a laptop got Ubuntu and ran fine until it crashed, big style, off the couch and got broken for spares and sold on Ebay, I now come to you courtesy of a Dell D610 liberated (legally) from the out of scope kit at work, fitted with 2GB of ram and Ubuntu installed and it rocks along, once in a Browser you cant really tell for web browsing and save me £400 up on a new laptop.
I currently have about ten working pc's, Windows 7 for Best, XP as the old Dell kit can have it installed from a Dell disk with no licence implications as they all came with one and Ubuntu when I couldnt find said Dell XP disk any more, again no licensing mither.
Vista I found was slow, clunky, unreliable and a pain in the ****, a lot of corporates, well most, avoided it like the plague.
I currently have about ten working pc's, Windows 7 for Best, XP as the old Dell kit can have it installed from a Dell disk with no licence implications as they all came with one and Ubuntu when I couldnt find said Dell XP disk any more, again no licensing mither.
Vista I found was slow, clunky, unreliable and a pain in the ****, a lot of corporates, well most, avoided it like the plague.
22 February 2011, 11:14 PM
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My Vista machines are on par with the win 7 ones speedwise all with similar spec CPUs/RAM etc.
The only difference is I have had to tweek the background services on Vista and I haven't touched the Win 7 systems. Also, the win 7 systems are x86 whilst all the Vistas (bar the laptops) are x64, but I doubt it makes that much difference. But I guess x64 drivers are more reliable as they probably have better testing, rather than x86 drivers which are likely to be rehashed ports from XP.
Never had any reliability issues on Vista on any of them (except when I suffered a RAM failure), I've even swapped motherboards and CPUs to totally different brands and it still boots up, auto detects the new hardware and carries on. Amazing really; XP would just die in a endless cycle of BSODs.
I will conceed that I do have a laptop which appears to have gone on mega go-slow when I last used it, but I rarely touch it so maybe its a PEBCAK issue with installing excessive junkware via its normal user.
Win XP x64 on the other hand....ye gods, that really was aweful.
The only difference is I have had to tweek the background services on Vista and I haven't touched the Win 7 systems. Also, the win 7 systems are x86 whilst all the Vistas (bar the laptops) are x64, but I doubt it makes that much difference. But I guess x64 drivers are more reliable as they probably have better testing, rather than x86 drivers which are likely to be rehashed ports from XP.
Never had any reliability issues on Vista on any of them (except when I suffered a RAM failure), I've even swapped motherboards and CPUs to totally different brands and it still boots up, auto detects the new hardware and carries on. Amazing really; XP would just die in a endless cycle of BSODs.
I will conceed that I do have a laptop which appears to have gone on mega go-slow when I last used it, but I rarely touch it so maybe its a PEBCAK issue with installing excessive junkware via its normal user.
Win XP x64 on the other hand....ye gods, that really was aweful.
Last edited by ALi-B; 22 February 2011 at 11:16 PM.
22 February 2011, 11:27 PM
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Erm Bioforger was agreeing with me on the maintanence side of things
And trust me if you only have 2gb of RAM you'll need to tweek start-ups sooner or later as there will be array of memory hogging junkware, toolbars/helper bars and speedloaders swallowing it up.
Here's few minor ones from memory:
Quicktime - die
Adobe speed launcher - die
Adobe ARM - die
Java update scheduler - die
23 February 2011, 08:55 AM
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On my quad core opteron server Win7 doesn't load much quicker than that. Edit: In fact just tried it, 30 seconds for it to get to log on screen and at 45 seconds the wallpaper showed. Take off the log on password and from boot menu to wallpaper is 40 seconds dead.
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23 February 2011, 11:05 AM
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I have 2 things to mention here.....
Windows
98
Great OS, simple effective.....neer had an issue with it in the 4 year i spent using it regularly...
Windows
98
Great OS, simple effective.....neer had an issue with it in the 4 year i spent using it regularly...
23 February 2011, 12:55 PM
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Win 2K professional FTW 
XP without the stupid resource hungry GUI
And before someone mentions it Windows ME....The only thing worse is XP x64 (The differences being one just crashed all teh time, whilst the other nothing worked due to no proper supported drivers).
XP without the stupid resource hungry GUI
And before someone mentions it Windows ME....The only thing worse is XP x64 (The differences being one just crashed all teh time, whilst the other nothing worked due to no proper supported drivers).
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