delbert

im gonna make a bulk purchase any ideas?

delbert

okay no takers i c ... top 5? or just your favorite!

Paulo P

iTrader: (42)

My favourites

1) Richard Burns rally (very hard but excellent)
2) Toca race driver 2
3) Rallysport challenge 2

ScoobyJawa

My favs

1. Halo 2
2. PGR2
3. Splinter Cell's
4. Forza Motorsport
5. Rallysport Challenge 2
6. Toca 2
7. Sonic Collection

supna

Bulk purchase, surely the money would be better spent on a Xecutor 3 Chip

JackClark

Agreed Supna, I was going to buy my lunch today, but mugged an old granny outside Tesco's instead. Similarly my car tyres were getting a bit worn, 4 piles of bricks and a handy donor car sorted that one out. Bugger this 'paying for things' lark.

Scooby-Doo

TOCA
PES3
PGR2
Top Spin
Links

GC8

Whilst you have a point Jack (over-made though it is); the principal reason for piracy, personal as opposed to organised, is the inflated prices charged by distributors and retailers. An X-Box game bought for £35 in HMV or Game will have been bought by the re-seller for less than half of the retail price; after accounting for the distributors profit and Microsofts margin the games developer is left with a fraction of the purchase cost.

Far far fewer people would be interested in copied audio CDs or console games if the retail channel were less greedy.


Simon

lightning101

Did the granny taste good ?

ScoobyJawa

Half the prob is the straight dollar to pound conversion. Yanks pay $39.99 we pay £39.99 - gee thats fair!

Oh - forgot:

8. Tiger Woods PGA Tour Golf

Neanderthal

iTrader: (6)

Splinter Cell:Chaos Theory
PGR2
Top Spin
Kung Fu Chaos
Forza Motorsport
Pro Evo Soccer

gregjd

PGR2
Forza
Pro Evo
Lego Star Wars
GTA 3/San Andreas/Vice City
Halo2
Star Wars Battlefront
Links 2003
Amped2 (for the 720p graphics)

Iain Young

I doubt that. In my experience, people who stoop this low, robbing us developers of our livelihoods, always want something for nothing. Look at the number of people who illegally download music despite the fact they can download the same single from iTunes for only 50p....

They also seem to be the first ones to complain when no new games are being developed <sigh>.....

Anyway, on my list at the moment...

1) PGR2
2) Jade Empire (short but engaging)
3) Forza motorsport (well I like it)
4) Baldurs gate II Dark Alliance - and oldie, but lots of axe wielding fun
5) Full spectrum warrior

rich curtis (work)

If you have Live these are all excellent (if you dont have XBlive most are still excellent )
Forza
PGR2
Midtown madness
Halo2
Rainbow 6
Tiger woods or Links
Pro evo soccer 4
Crimson skies
Splinter cell chaos theory (other 2 are vgood too)
Burnout 3 (online was initially dodgy through EA, not sure if its sorted now though)

Cheers
Rich

Stiver3

Forza, Then, Unreal Championship Liandri Concept & Timesplitters 2! and of course the gta series! + Burnout 3, and 4 when it comes out!

Dream Weaver

But even if the developer only gets £5 its better than nothing, especially if they sell over 3 million coies

I dont do copied games, more so because they rarely work but also to support the developers. £30 for a game from Play or Asda is a night on the beer, and well worth it for a game you spend hours on.

Hanslow

Knights of the Old Republic I & II


On the piracy issue, games are costing more to develop, hence the increased cost. Problem for seasoned gamers is that a lot of the games don't present much difference to older games apart from better eye candy. I'll be interested to see how much the PS3 / XBox 360 / Nintendo thing games are priced at. I'm assuming they will be more than current games due to the games 'looking better'

Dream Weaver

They are RRP'd at £49.99 on Play.com selling for £39.99, and I agree with you its only the eye candy that is getting better, they could do with adding something to the gameplay.

I do think £50 is too steep for a game, but the prices will drop fairly quickly.

Hanslow

Forgot to add.....

I used to 'acquire' games but don't do this any more. Why? Because I'm playing less games and tend to put my money into a game that I enjoy. This is becoming rarer as time goes on, so I'm finding I'm spending less money anyway. It's rare to get a game that is so good I end up playing it all the way through without getting bored at any point. In fact the last game that managed this I think was Final Fantasy VII when it first came out. That sucked 60 odd hours of my life away but I enjoyed every minute of it

On the price issue, as a schoolkid with little money (although that's no justification), we'd still copy £1.99 Mastertronic games for the Speccy because it still saved us £1.99. This was an agreement between a mate and I where we'd buy alternate games and let the other person 'acquire' them. The only way you'll stop piracy is to make it all free which isn't going to happen.

lightning101

I bought dozens of games on ebay for my XBOX, even though it is chipped with the latest xecutor 3. I tend to use it for emulators N64, gamecube etc, even PC emulators, and for DIVX and MP3.

I got PGR2 and Dead or alive 3 together for 8.99 + 1.50 postage on ebay and they are originals. So where are they coming from at that price ?

The only one I can't get cheap is Forza - even on ebay it is £22. But in a month I bet I can get it for under a tenner.

Hanslow

I know there are some game developers on here (and other software developers), so what do you think of the second hand game market? Does this not also mean that developers see no further cash from their efforts? Is the more common trading in second hand games another reason for cost issues, whilst being a legal one?

Sorry to drift off topic, but I've always wondered what developers thought of the second hand games market. I've started buying more of my games off ebay and places like gamestation second hand. Now I'm older (and a little wiser ) I'm more willing to wait for the price to come down to what I deem is an acceptable level before purchasing

Iain Young

That's just the same as any industry though (2nd hand cars for example). However, for them to be sold 2nd hand, they had to be bought new at some point so the developers wages will have already been paid. Also in the shops like game, gamestation etc that trade games, you usually hand in a few old games to purchase a new one, so it may generate a sale that otherwsie wouldn't have happened.

Piracy is a far more damaging problem.

delbert

thanks for all your input people, strayed off the point a little bit but what the hay. i have placed my order if your intrested i went for:-
Halo 2
tiger woods 2005
world camp snooker 05
gta 3
top spin
pes 4
splinter cell chas theory
crimson skies
and 2 for the girlfriend
midway arcade and alien Vs preditor.

many thanks for your help.
Rich

Hanslow

Iain, is it not true then say (pre 2nd hand games available in shops) said shop sells 500 copies of new game. Now in the 2nd hand market, they initially sell 100, but then start getting some back as trade-ins which they then sell on again, with some new purchases of said game, reaching a total of say 300 'new' sales. This shows a net drop in sales of said game and money back to developers. Or does it not work like that (quite possible as I am a) not in retail, and b) not a games developer).

Is the shop the only profit maker in selling a 2nd hand game? I'm all for 2nd hand game places as it saves me quite a bit on the games I buy, but as I buy more 2nd hand games, I get the feeling that none of my money is going back to the developers (well their company).

Rich, sorry for the drift, it got me thinking about the 2nd hand market No star wars games in your list

delbert

No probs, Your right no star wars games Sci Fi is the devil!!!

i like sims and sports firstly with some shoot em up!.

lightning101

Sounds like good games for long term amusement not too sure about the camp snooker, gay isn't my thing

delbert

ok thanks for that each to there own i suppose!!

Hanslow

Looks like you won't be seeing the light of day for a while anyway Have fun

delbert

cheers mate ......I ....WILL

Iain Young

That is correct.

The games market works exactly the same as any other. If you buy a 2nd hand washing machine from a shop, Hotpoint doesn't get to see any of that money, and the same is true for 2nd hand games.

Developers / publishers only make money from the original sale of the new game.

Lego star wars rocks

Some good games there though mate. Enjoy