J4CKO

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Have an Xbox coming on Thursday to keep the PS1,PS2,N64 and 2 pcs company.

My main pc is getting on a bit now but I see no reason to change it yet (Doom 2 and Halflife 2 notwithstanding), how does the Xbox stack up in terms of power, graphics etc to a decent pc or even my Athlon XP1700, 512 DDR, Epox 8Kha+, Geforce 3 Ti200 ?

Kevin Greeley

I thought the Xbox had a 700Mhz Pentium 3 and modified Geforce 2 graphics - nothing special. Still want one though.

Mr.Cookie

quite well in my opinion yeah okay it's only a 700mhz cpu and geforce but it outputs at roughly 640 by 480 and any pc would stonk along at those settings, also as coders are building for a specific bit of kit they don't have to take in all sorts of variables like mr x have an ati radeon but miss y has a nvidia, etc.
I personally play more games on my chipped box than i do on my pc and alos my box gets to stream any of my cd's that have now all been converted to mp3 on main server pc

Si
Ps Fifa 2004 rocks

judgejules

Oh this thread could open a can-o-worms

At the end of the day its personal preference as to where you like to play your games. PC graphics will always be better as the hardware is updated on a more regular basis but the playability of games sitting on front of the TV is always going to be different than the PC.

Just my 2p

~Jules

DJ Dunk

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X-Box is a superb piece of kit for the money.

With a few tweaks you can be playing online, play DVD's, watch Divx movies, play MP3's, play emulators for PS1, N64, Megadrive, SNES, Mame, play streaming radio and other media via your PC and much more. All from the comfort of your living room. Much more sociable than sitting in front of a monitor in your office

For the money nothing comes close.

Hobo_Jojo

yeah chipped xbox is the ****! i dont use my pc for games anymore since i got my xbox

Toonman1

I've only had an X Box a couple of weeks, but I'm a convert. Some types of games play so well on it - racing, fighting etc. Not sure about FP Shooters though; you can't beat Mouse/Keyboard for speed and accuracy.

Looking forward to Call of Duty on the PC (07/11/03).

Cheers

Hobo_Jojo

i thought that b4 i bought one but then played halo and the control setup is great

si325i

iv got xbox and it great for play and go without crashing. with great graphic, bump mapping and stuff, but it know match for new top spec PC. pit there is no mouse. PS2 not so good. and anything that play on a TV will never have as much detail as a PC monitor. didn't think much to the DVD play back, but iv got a top spec DVD player anyway on a SONY wega. xbox is great with a few mate when *****.
Si

Hobo_Jojo

dvd playback looks fine to me on mine.....
for the cost as well its great as would cost a lot more to setup a top spec pc

fitzscoob

would consider getting one but imo for first person shooters (my personal fav) counter strike, and the like you need a mouse and keyboard for acuracy, none of this wiggling the analog stick thing to get your cross hairs near something before you have been shot 30 times.

also can the xbox search the web for ****?

Toonman1

As I said earlier...

Hobo_Jojo

ive heard u can actually mod the xbox to the extent where u can use a mouse and a keyboard?

druddle

Correctamondo, cos the controller ports are USB. That means with a bit of fiddling you can connect a USB keyboard and mouse.

Hobo_Jojo

what is the extent of the usb functionality on the box?

judgejules

Well technically the ports are USB and the pads you plug in are USB devices, but you wont be able to take a "PC" usb device and just run with it, unless you can get the drivers/software onto the box etc etc

I'm not sure if this is possible when the box is hacked...

~Jules

DJ Dunk

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Exactly, they are modified USB ports but to get functionalitly out of a device you will need drivers. This means that the only real way of running a USB device designed for another platform is to use Linux on your X-Box and the appropriate driver.

That is unless the X-Box software you are using supports that particular USB device, such as some of the homebrew stuff floating about like GentooX (which is a port of Gentoo from Linux anyway).



[Edited by DJ Dunk - 10/29/2003 10:31:53 AM]

DJ Dunk

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Using Linux you can even burn CD's using an IDE>USB convertor and a CD-Writer

Has been done by loading the follwing modules:

scsi_mod
sr_mod
ide-scsi
usb-storage

Xbox / # cdrecord -scanbus
Cdrecord 2.01a14 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jörg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.25
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) ' ' 'RW-201040 ' '1.23' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) *
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) *
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *

Xbox / # cdrecord dev=0,0,0 /0.4.1.iso speed=2
Cdrecord 2.01a14 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jörg Schilling
scsidev: '0,0,0'
scsibus: 0 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.25
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
Device type : Removable CD-ROM
Version : 2
Response Format: 1
Vendor_info : ' '
Identifikation : 'RW-201040 '
Revision : '1.23'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW.
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr).
Driver flags : MMC-2 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED
Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R96R
Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4 in real TAO mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write 0 seconds. Operation starts.
Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 241293312/241293312 (117819 sectors).

Xbox / # mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom/
Xbox / # ls /mnt/cdrom --width=1
isolinux
default.xbe
initrd
linuxboot.cfg
livefs
vmlinuz
xbox.tgz
xboxdisc

Don't ask me how, cos I'm a Linux n00b

Hobo_Jojo

how do u put linux on the box? ive never experienced linux, is there any point in doing it?

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Hobo - Take a look here
There's pretty much all the info you could need.




[Edited by DJ Dunk - 10/29/2003 10:52:45 AM]

Jye

oops double half finish post there, got cought up eating me tea and dropping it on the keyboard

[Edited by Jye - 10/29/2003 12:14:24 PM]

Jye

If your a hardcore gamer you deffo need both, or even a PS2 and GC as well. ATM I own 3 PC's (for home lans ) and a PS2 and Xbox.

PC/Xbox games that I have experienced that were/are still better 'IMO' (esp. looking or control wise) on PC, or not available on Xbox:

All FPS apart from Halo and perhaps Timesplitters (NA for the PC anyway) and all tactical/online FPS such as CS/DoD mods etc.
All realistic racing games where a wheel is needed (F1 GP series etc, GTR mods ect)
Most if not all RPG's, all MMORPG's
Freedom Fighters
Splinter Cell
Battle Engine Aquila
MotoGP 2
Max Payne
Colin Mcrae series
Rallisport Challenge
GTA Vice City

PC/Xbox games that I have experienced that were/are still better 'IMO' (esp. looking or control wise) on Xbox, or not available on PC:

Brute Force (NA for PC)
Halo
House of the Dead 3 with lightgun (NA for PC)
Burnout series (NA for PC)
Project Gotham Racing (NA for PC)
All fighting games especailly DOA3 etc
SSX Tricky
All Tony Hawk's type games, BMX etc.

There are prob loads more to compare but these are all I have played on both/experienced.

I could never be without my PC's for gaming, but I could give up my consoles if I really had to. Some games are just more fun to play on a console though, take SSX Tricky, I doubt I would 'ever' play it on a PC but love to fire it up with the m8's in the living room after a few beers, this goes for all fighting/most 2 player games as well. This might change as more PC's become living room friendly though. And also the 'game looking better' on the PC bit relies on you having a reasonably cutting edge PC. PC games are also generally much cheaper/better value for money.

The PC is also the biz for mods, and where would we be without nice free online mods