Moving to rural village, no ADSL any tips?
17 November 2002, 02:03 PM
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Hi, I am moving to an isolated village, I won't say where as I have been targetted by car thieves and conmen via the internet in the past 
Anyway my current London ping is <15ms and ADSL downloads are fantastic. I fear returning to dial ups.
What is the next best thing to ADSL?
I once read about satellite downloads being quick but uploads were slow via POC wires.
I really want to be able to beat Mr Footlong, Pete, Steve, Mark and Topcat in FPS games
(especially in the winter as I am a fair weather angler/horse rider these days 
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So solutions for speedy internet access in "A village that time forgot"!
TIA Anders
Anyway my current London ping is <15ms and ADSL downloads are fantastic. I fear returning to dial ups.
What is the next best thing to ADSL?
I once read about satellite downloads being quick but uploads were slow via POC wires.
I really want to be able to beat Mr Footlong, Pete, Steve, Mark and Topcat in FPS games
(especially in the winter as I am a fair weather angler/horse rider these days )So solutions for speedy internet access in "A village that time forgot"!
TIA Anders
17 November 2002, 03:27 PM
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I would love for you to challenge me on Battlefield mate. Pete too, but you hardly ever come on anymore and Holt hasn't even bought the proper game yet . I am very happy in knowing that I can well and truly whip him now on at least 1 game
Cheers,
Nick
P.S I hate Cental London, so I hope you like your new surroundings away from the nutter Rat Race
. I am very happy in knowing that I can well and truly whip him now on at least 1 game Cheers,
Nick
P.S I hate Cental London, so I hope you like your new surroundings away from the nutter Rat Race
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satellite connection is possible, but quiet expensive and (from what ive read) subject to atmospheric weather conditions etc. (kinda like sky digital in a thunderstorm which goes a bit pants - or dies like it does at my house!).
as for beating me at an fps keep taking the tablets old timer, it aint going to happen
Just about to try medal of honour new patch if you fancy meeting me on a server
Never got round to getting battlefield properly as single player was so poor it just wound me right up!
[Edited by ptholt - 11/17/2002 3:30:27 PM]
as for beating me at an fps keep taking the tablets old timer, it aint going to happen
Just about to try medal of honour new patch if you fancy meeting me on a server
Never got round to getting battlefield properly as single player was so poor it just wound me right up!
[Edited by ptholt - 11/17/2002 3:30:27 PM]
17 November 2002, 05:42 PM
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Are you moving to an area serviced by cable/NTL/Telewest? probably not
How about moving near to a school and running some cat 5 into their IT room - are all schools not served by Leased Lines as part of JANET?
Looks like it's going to have to be Home Highway ISDN with an unmetered dialup connection
How about moving near to a school and running some cat 5 into their IT room - are all schools not served by Leased Lines as part of JANET?
Looks like it's going to have to be Home Highway ISDN with an unmetered dialup connection
17 November 2002, 06:26 PM
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No cable
Just showing my ignorance........I thought you could only have runs of Cat5 of upto 100m?
My village is 3 miles from nearest school and no line of site to hook up a microwave link.
How expensive is ISDN these days now that cable/ADSL has taken over in most places it is available (for home users anyway).
Just showing my ignorance........I thought you could only have runs of Cat5 of upto 100m?
My village is 3 miles from nearest school and no line of site to hook up a microwave link.
How expensive is ISDN these days now that cable/ADSL has taken over in most places it is available (for home users anyway).
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17 November 2002, 06:41 PM
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Cat5 is <=100m
I think Home Highway is about £40/month inc unmetered ISP from Openworld.
How about this for some irony, We are an ISP selling Broadband and the guy who looks after our internal network can't even have it
I know he is on ISDN so will ask him how much tomorrow if no one else posts up in the meantime..
I think Home Highway is about £40/month inc unmetered ISP from Openworld.
How about this for some irony, We are an ISP selling Broadband and the guy who looks after our internal network can't even have it
I know he is on ISDN so will ask him how much tomorrow if no one else posts up in the meantime..
17 November 2002, 11:02 PM
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Dont do it!!!
I`m on ISDN a.t.m. and i pay £120 just for the line a quarter.You then have the i.s.p. bill ontop of that.
Ping is around 80ish, bloody annoying when your playing cablers who are pinging at 30-40! Speed wise 7.2kbs single line, 14kbs bonded.
I`m moving house soon, only i`m paying 10k extra so that i can get a house with ADSL connection, which sux i know but i`m abit of a net head so have no choice really For less money i could have a better house in a better area, but no broadband
Rich.
I`m on ISDN a.t.m. and i pay £120 just for the line a quarter.You then have the i.s.p. bill ontop of that.
Ping is around 80ish, bloody annoying when your playing cablers who are pinging at 30-40! Speed wise 7.2kbs single line, 14kbs bonded.
I`m moving house soon, only i`m paying 10k extra so that i can get a house with ADSL connection, which sux i know but i`m abit of a net head so have no choice really
For less money i could have a better house in a better area, but no broadband Rich.
17 November 2002, 11:39 PM
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Its in a valley No vodafone, O2 or Orange. Just about get T mobile.
Nothing on the crests of the hills but established ancient woodland.
Whole area is conservation++++ so no towers allowed up for mobile let along microwave line of site etc.
Do they offer satelite along the lines of Sky so it will beam vertically down?
Nothing on the crests of the hills but established ancient woodland.
Whole area is conservation++++ so no towers allowed up for mobile let along microwave line of site etc.
Do they offer satelite along the lines of Sky so it will beam vertically down?
18 November 2002, 12:25 AM
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Do they offer satelite along the lines of Sky so it will beam vertically down?
1) the cheapest sat offerings still use a dial-up link for upstream
2) 'proper' 2-way sat links suffer from dire ping times due to the distance being travelled. My tests on a sat link showed pings to our server in Telehouse being anything from 700 to 1000ms. The equipment I've worked on is not cheap in the slighest either...
It's not for a gamer IMHO, the latency is too high. Just a fact of the technology.
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18 November 2002, 07:47 AM
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Its in a valley No vodafone, O2 or Orange. Just about get T mobile.
U moving to the moon or summat m8e
dont do it, i am looking for a house atm and wherever it ends up being it will have ADSL & Cable available so i can choose which one i want.
i am currently living in the sticks on deepes darkest dartmoor and i get a 37,666 connection on my 56k modem at the best ! oftens its 31,200 or 34,000.
had isdn before which was a definite improvement......counter strike pings were 100 average although most people seem to be able to get morelike 70 with isdn.
download speed was only 6-8k second. cr*p compared to broadband but much better than the 2/3 second i get on 56k
satellite is horrendously expensive and no good for gaming at all.
wireless mite be a possibility ?
18 November 2002, 09:03 AM
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Home Highway the best bet.
Currently £21.27 + VAT /MONTH + £13.99 / Month Unmetered ISP.
Given that for just a PSTM Modem you pay £7/month line rental + the ISP that means its actually only £15/month or so more for ISDN.
Downside is that will only give you 64K. ISPs who offer 128K ISDN are starting to appear but are still expensive. 64K ISDN is fine for most games (UT C/S etc). I use 128K ISDN (through work) for BF1942.
I use fat work pipe to download and take it home on the laptop
Deano
Currently £21.27 + VAT /MONTH + £13.99 / Month Unmetered ISP.
Given that for just a PSTM Modem you pay £7/month line rental + the ISP that means its actually only £15/month or so more for ISDN.
Downside is that will only give you 64K. ISPs who offer 128K ISDN are starting to appear but are still expensive. 64K ISDN is fine for most games (UT C/S etc). I use 128K ISDN (through work) for BF1942.
I use fat work pipe to download and take it home on the laptop
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19 November 2002, 01:03 PM
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If you are in the middle of nowhere you may struggle to get ISDN. I was going to get it but when it came to installation day they told me the house was too far from the exchange. Can't have ADSL either, as the house has a fibre line. Can't have cable as there is no cable in the area. I live in a reasonably built up area. You can check on BT website if you can get ISDN, but it isn't always accurate as I found out. Waiting for satellite prices to come down.
19 November 2002, 01:40 PM
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IIRC,
Highway can be provided over longer distances than ISDN2.
Or is it the other way round? There's definately a difference in max range from the exchange though.
Highway can be provided over longer distances than ISDN2.
Or is it the other way round?
There's definately a difference in max range from the exchange though.
19 November 2002, 02:38 PM
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So summing up youre screwed I'm in the same position, only options are satellite or wireless (not available yet) as mentioned [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] I'm going to pamphlet big style my village and neighbouring village where the exchange is located in an attempt to hit the 200 trigger mark required by BT to convert the exchange to ADSL.
There is a little known technology called RDSL or 'reduced DSL'. It runs over existing analogue pairs and works the same as an 'Always-On' ADSL solution, but without the need to upgrade the exchange etc. It's not as powerful as ADSL, but then ADSL is only as good as the contention ration that you pay for. BT don't market or offer the services directly, but certain ISP's are wising up to RDSL and can offer the service to clients. So you never know in what, 5years time you might have broadband over your phone line Having said that if a relatively cheap 2-way sat service is launched I will snap it up. Although gaming will be pants as mentioned.
Also check out http://www.rabbit-broadband.org.uk/ might be of some use to you?
I'm in the same position, only options are satellite or wireless (not available yet) as mentioned [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img] I'm going to pamphlet big style my village and neighbouring village where the exchange is located in an attempt to hit the 200 trigger mark required by BT to convert the exchange to ADSL.There is a little known technology called RDSL or 'reduced DSL'. It runs over existing analogue pairs and works the same as an 'Always-On' ADSL solution, but without the need to upgrade the exchange etc. It's not as powerful as ADSL, but then ADSL is only as good as the contention ration that you pay for. BT don't market or offer the services directly, but certain ISP's are wising up to RDSL and can offer the service to clients. So you never know in what, 5years time you might have broadband over your phone line
Having said that if a relatively cheap 2-way sat service is launched I will snap it up. Although gaming will be pants as mentioned.Also check out http://www.rabbit-broadband.org.uk/ might be of some use to you?
19 November 2002, 04:11 PM
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Home Highway - costs as Deano says. It gives you two digital lines on which you have 3 numbers. The *original* plus one more normal BT line. You also get a 3rd - which is the dial-in ISDN number ... hmm must figure out what I can use that for one of these days....
You can use 2 out of 3 at the same time. So if you are using ix 64K ISDN line you have the other free for calls.
I'm with BTOpenworld 'cos I was with them when I only had a humble modem. Nothing changed - not even the dial-in phone number. 64K is much faster than most modems go - and it's consistant and logs in in about 5 secs rather than 40 ...
I also get 128K connections - which uses BOTH lines up and costs. The costs are 2x local rate calls. So about 2p/min total at weekends. Not too excessive but I hardly ever need to use it. Probably just me ...
Bioforger - RDSL is really just ADSL and just tweaks the upload speeds so that you can get it furthur from the exchange - 5.5km instead of only 3.5km. In fact the rumour is that all of BT's ADSL connections are really RDSL.
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19 November 2002, 06:27 PM
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RADSL requires no exchange upgrade if only
its just a variation on ADSL (as is SDSL) which plays with gain/bandwidth etc to get more distance. Still need kit at the exchanges
Deano
if only its just a variation on ADSL (as is SDSL) which plays with gain/bandwidth etc to get more distance. Still need kit at the exchanges
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19 November 2002, 09:56 PM
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Chris, its the other way around m8.I couldnt get HomeHighay but was able to get ISDN2e.
Too far from exchange though to get ADSL even if they wer to enable the exchange!
Rich.
Too far from exchange though to get ADSL even if they wer to enable the exchange!
Rich.
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