paulr

Have a Sony Xperia, pile of crap. I want to go back to Blackberry, basically my old was the best phone I had for the basics, ie making calls.
My only concern, do app makers still support blackberry.

JGlanzaV

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Love my blackberry, esp as its the only "proper" phone with a keypad....

But!

The OS is crap...

And you are very limited on apps, not very many at all, the apps on my work tab s4 are all brilliant, I have none on my blackberry.


I'm not fussed as I want it for the keypad rather than anything else. I don't like touch screen

pimmo2000

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Have to use one for work .. don't rate them at all.

paulr

Not keyboard, but the Z10. Now dead cheap.

Basically I use my sony for apps, but for calls, my old Nokia 6100.

pimmo2000

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I have the z10, if you just want something for emails, it's fine, but everything else.. it's *****.

I have the S5 as a personal phone and although I'm not impressed with it, it pisses all over the z10.

paulr

Why is it *****.

paulr

My Sony is crap for calls. Everyone moans they can't hear me

dpb

Z10 perfectly reasonable.

It's only for grown ups mind you

paulr

What about the apps though?

Need.
Spotify
Googl drive
Gmail
bbc iplayer
google maps

JackClark

Get an iPhone, all the others are just trying to be one anyhow.

JGlanzaV

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You will get all those apps on the blackberry

dpb

For a third of the cost ,and you won't be lining apples pockets

Devildog

Had Blackberries for work (professional services environment) for years.

***** because:

Build qualty is crap

Battery life is, in real terms, no better than any of the other smartphones. The only reason people say blackberries have better battery life is because you'd use more of the apps and functions of an iphone/android phone or windows phone more of the time becasue on a blackberry, well, what's the point.

OS is crap, clunky and slow.

Reliability was crap

Camera quiality generally was crap

Service (on vodafone) was crap

All of them would randomly drop calls, not connect and or hang for no reason requiring battery out reboot

Email functionality was great on 3G but poor on gprs or E (where no good 3G signal)

Useless at attachments - difficult to read word documents, absolutely hopeless in terms of navigating around spreadsheets

Having used both blackberries and now an iphones for work, the iphone as a work tool is head and shoulders better.

I'd never go back to blackberry.

Devildog

I should add that the reason they were so popular is because they were the only workable mobile enterprise email device when they were released so were widely taken up in the commercial arena.

Having invested a lot of time and money in the platform, many busineses were understandably reluctant to move away from that, but times are definately changing in that respect.

Littleted

Companies on its ****.
get a 5c if costs an issue youll like it honest

dpb

Stick with the high rollers

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinio...ing-blackberry

paulr

I looked for a Z10, nobody sells them???

stevebt

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Blackberry apps are a lot more money that android or IOs apps and if your just thinking of putting your sim into it you will get charged for internet as you need to be on a proper Blackberry tariff.

dpb

dpb

plus sideload

Markus

In short, no, I wouldn't get a blackberry device unless there is some critical need to have one.

I think they thought they were in an untouchable position, and for a while they were, they had the business market. Then other smartphones came out and started to show what could really be done with a mobile device.

Businesses kept them as users did like them, plus there was a fair bit of lock-in, BBM was blackberry only, and used a fair bit. The corporate stuff was well liked.

Time moves on, and people ask IT departments if they can use their own phone for corporate email / calendars and other things. IT departments see this could result in lower costs for them, and delves into it. All during this time RIM / BlackBerry sit back and do nothing to really advance things.

The increase in people using their own smartphones increases.

Tablets come along. RIM waits a bit, comes out with a tablet a little too late (the prototype ran so hot, you needed to sit it on an ice pack, no, I'm not joking, they also had a major hardware redesign, which was one of the reasons for the delays too), and one that you have to pair to a blackberry device to send / receive email (who on earth thought that was a good idea!)

A year or so later, they seem to think that perhaps they should be doing something, but it's too late, the game has moved on.

They release, finally, BBM for Android and iOS, but again, it's too late.

RIM splits off BlackBerry into it's own company, mainly so it can retain and sell of QNX and anything else that is still profitable, BlackBerry is circling the drain.

I don't know of any app developers who still update their blackberry apps.

John Chen, CEO of BlackBerry was going on about petitioning the US government (why the US and not Canada first? seeing as BB is a Canadian company) to force app developers to develop apps for BB, as it was unfair, for example, that Netflix didn't exist on BB, and there should be some kind "app neutrality" (http://www.pcworld.com/article/28736...ality-law.html). I think this says a lot about the company, having a CEO that comes out with something as odd as that.

I remember, around early 2011, being called by a recruiter, asking if I was interested in a position at a technology leader in Waterloo (obviously blackberry), and the guy confirmed this. We had a quick chat, and I did point out a few times I wasn't overly interested in BlackBerry, as I didn't think it was a viable company. I pointed out that they'd need to offer me 2 1/2 times my current salary, half of that paid in advance, if I were to take the position, as I wanted to protect myself when the inevitable layoffs happened.

JackClark

In 2008 people on here thought I was mental for suggesting that the almighty Blackberry was doomed. Drove one user to the nut house.

paulr

Thanks Marcus, i think you are spot on. They became complacent and lazy. Its a shamebecause they were good phones. What it does mean is Apple now dominate the premium market.

Blackberry is dead btw. O2 and Tesco have none on thier website. RIP.

dpb

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...hones-handsets


thanks apple ,

jonc

Not really Apple's fault. Blackberry made the fatal error of not anticipating where the market was going and still didn't do anything when their market share was rapidly dwindling. They also back the wrong software and didn't develop enough decent apps for their phones. Though they recently dumped their in house OS for Android, it was a case of too little too late as there were already many established Android devices to compete against. Shame as I found their devices to be excellent. Also corporate customers shifted to BYOD which ironically Blackberry provided software to allow this move that help companies to stop providing Blackberry devices to their employees.

JackClark

Their CEO also slated Apple for not giving over user data, stated that they would because of terrorists.

Secure email used to be their thing and they were good at it, but everyone caught up and offered the same for nothing while they charged a fortune.