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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 04:59 PM
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Are Imprezas ok for driving in the snow? I've not been out in mine yet in the snow, but just been out in my friends 330Ci and it was a joke, we were all over the shop
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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Without snow tyres they're hopeless, especially when braking.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Without snow tyres they're hopeless, especially when braking.
Agreed and not much better going round corners either, fine for taking off and a straight line. But any car with wide low profile tyres will act like a sledge
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 06:18 PM
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I think they would be quite good with 4 space saver wheels on
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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have to agree they are rather sh*te in the snow

just about binned mine a few times
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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Agreed braking is poo, as ABS comes in too easily, but in the snow you should be using your gears anyway

Saying that there bloody good fun!!!



Another problem I found when I was hooning about in the carpark was that snow packed up between the wheel arch and the wheel eventually not allowing me to turn the wheel....lol

never had too many problems getting it to turn corners though, apart from the brakes I thought it was a very capable car in the snow

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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proper studded tyres and the impreza is fantastic in snow/ice...

although, studded tyres are probably a waste of dosh in the UK
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:17 PM
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my younger brother has a WRX bugeye took it to the Alps skiing acouple of years ago

went in convoy with a Vectra -- about 2 miles form the resort it was really snowy on the roads

Had to leave the Vectra (it was ALL over the place) -- put all the luggage into the scooby and simply drove right up to the ski resort -- passing loads of abandoned 2 wheel drive cars in the process

so yes -- much much better in the snow

(obviously not rallying just driving to get from A to B)
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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They are pretty good as long as you are SENSIBLE and don't start thinking your some kind of rally driver in Sweden on the rally course, will be far better than a 330 that's for sure
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by S3TH
I think they would be quite good with 4 space saver wheels on
That's not so daft!

For snow, you need thin tyres with a bold and sticky tread so the increased weight per square inch and the narrowness cuts into the snow and the sticky bit is a tread that works well in cold temperatures - e.g. Vredestein.

If you are serious about using the Scooby in the snow, get the right kit on the wheels, otherwise go out, buy yourself an old Land Rover [plus thick clothing or you'll freeze] and leave Scooby in the garage. If you have no choice then don't be an idiot: go easy on all the pedals, leave lots of room and even more if the car or truck behind you is too close and take it steady - the laws of physics apply to 4 wheel drive cars too!

And the 330 would a lot better with 150kg of ballast over the back wheels and a full tank of fuel. I put rolls of B&Q lead flashing on the rear seat secured by the seat belts in my various BMWs in what little snow we've had over the past few years, but its another motor I'd prefer park up to protect my NCB and use the Landie instead.

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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remove the abs fuse and they are pretty good compared to anything 2wheel drive imho.. only time I had trouble was in about 8inchs of snow as it just then lost traction as the car was lifted on the snow compacted under the car.. driving acorss dartmoor in heavy snow where people were unable to get up hill my impreza fully loaded with four adults and luggage just drove up like a wet road.

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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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Yes, i was being serious about using 4 skinny space saver tyres! I think it would work quite well.

what wheel/tyre configuration do the WRC cars use on snow stages?
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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I have found the Impreza far better than an other normal road car in the snow (except my old renault 5 which had fantastic ground clearance and very skinny tyres).

The only time I've had a problem was when the snow became too deep (approx 6 to 8 inches with some drifting) and was building up against the front spoiler, I turned around before I did any damage.

You've just got to drive to the conditions, be very smooth with all the controls and don't get carried away with the added traction which the Impreza gives you. You'll be amazed at how quickly you can pull away when other cars can barely move. Just remember stopping is a different thing all together, wide low profile road tyres and abs don't do you any favours.
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Old Nov 22, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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they handle great in the snow .... best doughnuts ever lol
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:10 AM
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It needs some skill:

Learn to steer using VERY delicate use of the throttle and they are ok

Do any thing stupid with the throttle (like lift off the throttle in 1st or 2nd gear) and the rear-end is all over the place.

It'll also just understeer when you need to turn (thus the need for throttle control), plus it won't be able to stop.

Something you quickly learn with AWD: it gives you traction, but not much else. Keep that in mind and you'll get on fine

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:17 AM
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Yea, if you get uncontrollable understeer just dip the clutch, drive will be cut and you sbe able to regain control.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 12:30 PM
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Anyone been out today then? weve had a lot of snow here in the east.

Havent got my manual to hand but which fuse is ABS one? is it in engine bay or inside car fuse box?
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 12:39 PM
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Check with your insurers, but pretty certain disabling the ABS will invalidate your insurance.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:13 PM
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LMFAO you serious?

So what if it developped a fault and didnt work anyway? Or the fuse could have blown through natural causes so to speak.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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A fault is a bit different to coming on a public forum saying you're going to pull the fuse to disable it.... so to speak...
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Ahh i see the angle you are taking here.

Dear norwich union insurance, I will not be removing my fuse to disable my ABS, as i really know you are on here checking this yadda yahhh etc.

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 02:07 PM
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It would be more like:

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Dear S3TH,

With reference to your collision claim and subsequent writing off of your WR Blue MY03 STi PPP, we will not be paying your claim and have advised the 3rd party you slid into that you were not insured at the time of the accident due to undeclared intentional modifications to your vehicle, namely the disabling of the ABS system (which our claim assessors have proven following an investigation), so their insurers will be making a personal claim on your remaining assets (house etc) to recover their costs.

As you were also therefore driving the vehicle illegally, the Police have been notified.

Best regards
Your Insurance Co.
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Now before anyone goes 'yeah right, ain't gonna happen', think about the ways insurers will be trying to get out of paying ANY claim in the current economic climate. The slightest excuse they can find, they'll use. Posting that you're trying to find out how to disable your ABS is a bit dumb, as is disabling your ABS really

Moral of the story; make sure all your mods, everything, is declared in writing to your insurers and keep a copy of what you sent, and don't screw around with your ABS! Also, if you can't afford to insure a modified car, don't mod it!

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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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ABS off with road tyres is not a good idea IMO, remember it's not there to stop you quicker but to allow you to steer or atleast hit whatever front-first.
I've found that, with studded road tyres, even on lake ices (albeit rugged by other cars with rally tyres) braking and steering is much more in control with ABS on.
Only occasion I pull the fuse is with rally tyres on lake ice.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 03:24 PM
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Scoobs are great in the snow provided you are not English and insist you can drive on summer tyres due to the fact you don't get enough snow and cold winters to justify changing to the correct tyres.
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You can drive on normal tyres though. Just have to be extra cautious that's all.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 03:30 PM
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I see that ridiculous 'insurers wont pay out' type remarks are being made here. They have your money and you have their certificate, so theyre bound. The notion that insurers can elect not to cover you is about as credible as: 'if you dont have a tax disc your insurance isnt valid'.....
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It was great fun today ...... would have shredded 2 sets of tyres had the ground not been covered in the white fluffy stuff!
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Originally Posted by GC8
I see that ridiculous 'insurers wont pay out' type remarks are being made here. They have your money and you have their certificate, so theyre bound. The notion that insurers can elect not to cover you is about as credible as: 'if you dont have a tax disc your insurance isnt valid'.....
So naive. If you haven't made an accurate declaration or have changed your vehicle from the specification the quote was based upon, the insurance your certificate provides based upon that quote is obviously not pertinent any more, therefore void. Not so ridiculous when you apply a little thought to it.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NXG
It would be more like:

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Dear S3TH,

With reference to your collision claim and subsequent writing off of your WR Blue MY03 STi PPP, we will not be paying your claim and have advised the 3rd party you slid into that you were not insured at the time of the accident due to undeclared intentional modifications to your vehicle, namely the disabling of the ABS system (which our claim assessors have proven following an investigation), so their insurers will be making a personal claim on your remaining assets (house etc) to recover their costs.

As you were also therefore driving the vehicle illegally, the Police have been notified.

Best regards
Your Insurance Co.
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Now before anyone goes 'yeah right, ain't gonna happen', think about the ways insurers will be trying to get out of paying ANY claim in the current economic climate. The slightest excuse they can find, they'll use. Posting that you're trying to find out how to disable your ABS is a bit dumb, as is disabling your ABS really

Moral of the story; make sure all your mods, everything, is declared in writing to your insurers and keep a copy of what you sent, and don't screw around with your ABS! Also, if you can't afford to insure a modified car, don't mod it!

Don't remove fuse, just replace with a blown one.
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Old Nov 23, 2008 | 04:42 PM
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Just done about 25 miles on mostly untreated roads, big cheesy on my face all the way, as has been said, a much much more caperble car in these conditions than any 2 w/d ive ever driven but you still need to keep your sensibility about you

ps What ABS!?!

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