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Old May 8, 2001 | 12:50 AM
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Very Impressive. Saw the car on Sunday with the bonnet parked at the side. Surely the car can't weigh more than about 850Kg, and with that much power, it will make for a very entertaining ride
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Actual Power Figures from the Best Rolling Road in the UK (Personal Thought only). AVA in Glasgow

285 @ wheels in low boost, 18psi (was 12 untill the fire)

made 320 in full boost 35 psi (was 28 until the fire)

Re-wiring has fixed my boost problems

the 320 figure would have been more but the Charge air Temp was getting to high causing the ignition to be retarded by 12 degrees. about 20bhp give or take a little

So should be 340-350 at the wheels on a good Day.

I am well pleased with that.



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Old May 8, 2001 | 11:48 AM
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Some good figures Steve! now all you need is a car to go with that power

Hope to see some flames coming from the Dingy mobile again soon!
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Dingy
What figures did Mike get? It would be interesting to see if the rolling road gave the same figures as the engine dyno.

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PS Do you know that you have a huuuge great dustbin sticking out the back of your car?
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Nice numbers, shame about that rusty old shed in the Middle picture.

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Old May 8, 2001 | 01:24 PM
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john stevenson i can only guess u are the owner of the red subaru and the rally style fiesta?

im steven with the grey rsturbo from knockhill ...

good day at AVA that was...

sun was shining BIG time.

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Old May 8, 2001 | 01:42 PM
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John S
I always presumed ding'y motor would be real light.Think it's still a wee bit heavier than that.On it's way down though

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Mike made 395@wheels.


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Old May 8, 2001 | 01:43 PM
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These figures are at the wheels.

I made 405 on the Dyno but a Dyno is perfect conditions. You must loose some by fitting it into the car, and i loose about 15% through the transmission.

Which aint bad. It will be nice to get some scoob's on there to see what BHP they have at the wheels.



I'm sure Mike will post his figures.....

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especially interesting to see the scoobs with crappy intercoolers

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Old May 8, 2001 | 02:15 PM
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I would imagine they would loose more than the 20bhp as the coolers on scoob's are in the worst place in the world for a cooler.

Especially as the bonnet needs to be open to listen to det, and no scoop....

Best get some front mounts ordered from CraigH me thinks....
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320bhp @ 1.3 bar (low boost)
400ish @ 2.3 bar (high boost) with ACT issues meaning a real 420ish @ wheels....
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act

are u lot all gonna go mad with intercooler/chargecooler ideas now like me

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Old May 8, 2001 | 03:52 PM
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Hi Steven, surprised I've not had a 'bite' from Martin yet !!
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After seeing the state of your yellow and purple xr2 john I didnt think I had to bite!

Martin

PS - when I doored you on the duel carrageway it turns out I was only using part throttle
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Martin, let me e-Mail you a pic of it then you can see if it looks any better on MY monitor , you might even be able to make out the RS badges
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P.S. I gather you were only using part 'grip' trying to follow me round the twisties as well then, explains the Reliant Robin keepin up with you.

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lol - even my passenger realises how much I was slowed down on the twisties as a red shed sat in the way! ...... probably for my own good given the conditions!.... juntions were a bit of a nightmare though!

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Doesn't explain the brown stuff tricking down your leg comin off the A80 at Cumbernauld.

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You do drive a bit slow tho martin..
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Shame really.................all that power and handle like 5hite.
Power is nothing without grip.
I think you know what I mean.
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yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah

I was very controlled this weekend
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AB.....you are so full of it.

Thats why you got a skyline that gets whooped on the track.....
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Guess you'll have to come up to the rolling road day then Birdy.

Prove you have one of the few Skylines that don't have BS power figures
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Craig, unfortunately it isnt my Skyline.
It has never been on a rolling road because it needs to go on a 2wd one to work propperly and that means disconecting the front drive which Middlehurst can do.
When it go`s up there next I think it will be put on a set.
Look at it this way it out drags my P1 which is a fairly quick one.
Power to weight and bull5hit figures aside.
It IS very quick and yes I have been in some pretty quick cars in my time.
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Arron,

I've been in some quick cars too.

Dingys car has a power to weight ratio (at the wheels) of around 360hp.

The Skyline has a power to weight ratio (at the FLYWHEEL) of around 240hp.

Doesn't take a genius to work it out.
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Skyline needs to go on a 2WD rolling road? I'm thick, so could you explain that one - is it because the RWD bias of the Skyline confuses things? Genuine question, this...

Anyhow, you've seen Dingy on a track, and Mike R. What's your problem about someone having a more powerful car than a skyline? I doubt anyone could deny they're powerful, and to me they're more of a driver's car than the skyline is. (Still, I know which one I'd take - but that's not the point here)
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Unfortunately all you to55sers dont seem to understand that this is NOT a standard Skyline.
It only runs (on standard turbo`s) about 1.1bar. Hang on thats a REAL 400 ish at 1.1 bar
It has diferent cams and exhaust and induction mods and AFR`s.
It runs all the right intercoolers and ****.
It IS very fast and I`m sorry but bhp power figures mean jack **** to me.
To get a car, any car, around a track quickly it needs to have more than BHP.
It also has to go round bends pretty good and I think we all know which car will go round bends now dont we
4 door sallon will always be a 4 door saloon.
AGAIN I SAY GROUP N RACE CAR WILL ALWAYS BE A GROUP N RACER
Carry on with your power figures.
I have been in and driven a GENUINE Brodie RS 500 with variable boost control and basically a Touring Car specification with BIG tyres and it was still almost un-driveable. The conversion to the engine and adjustable suspension tec was £12K and thats 10 years ago
The car did 60000 miles without a rebuild and could run upto an astonishing 32 lbs boost pressure.......****
I reckon it had about 500 REAL horespower.
The RS 500 was the best handling FORD SIERRA ever made and that is final.
I have no doubt that Dingy`s car and Mike`s car are very fast but we are looking at a complete package that can handle a lot more power with ease.
The R34 Skyline will happily run a GENUINE 650 horse with all but a clutch upgrade.............will your Ford?????
When the mighty Skyline has all the planned modifications it WILL BE A GENUINE 550 BHP.
A USEABLE 550 BHP.
I REST MY CASE
PS IF you have any questions that your not sure about Andy Middlehurst will answer them for you...........he`s at St.Helens........give him a call.
I`m sure if a Mk2 Escort or a Saff could do it for him he`d much rather have one

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oh dear, i smell poo poo

in the form of birdy poo poo.

look whose talkin it

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Old May 8, 2001 | 10:37 PM
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OK Arron,

It may have a real 400 hp. But it is also REAL heavy.

I don't know what hogwash has been brainwashed into you about Skylines, but they are not REAL racecars for the road.

They are lardy coupes.

A skyline would need approximately 750 REAL hp to match Dingys p/w.

A Skyline only needs a clutch upgrade for a real 650hp?

Don't tell me - you think Superman is real to?

Wake up and smell the roses Arron - Dingys car, Mikes car and Jay Bs car will absolutely slaughter that Skyline.

Your case has more holes in it than my boxer shorts.

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i also notice he is from never never land...

well that explains alot

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