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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 08:08 PM
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Long time lurker, first time poster. Please be gentle.

So, I'm looking to build some form of monster. Ideally a drag day car that is still suitable for daily, reliable running. Something that will destroy all on a 1/4 mile romp. I'm not bothered about the BHP figures. They're just numbers. Neck snapping acceleration up to 100MPH is the target here.

But where do you start with such a project? Closed deck 2ltr? 2.5ltr block? Also what mods would be required in order to achieve such a vehicle? Steel H frame con rods, Mahle pistons, uprated headbolts and gas flowed heads. A different turbo, but which type? Etc, I could easily bolt lots of bits together and get some big BHP numbers, that's not what I'm looking for here though.
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 08:10 PM
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What's your budget?
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BBB3
What's your budget?
I do have access to a machine shop complete with a very handy machinist and I'm not looking to build this overnight. It will be an on going project.

So lets say money no object, within reason! I'm not looking to build a full blown rally car as I want it to still be reliable enough to use daily if needed.
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You in norwich?
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 08:18 PM
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I'm out Potter Heigham way, work in Yarmouth.
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 08:19 PM
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You know matty kendrick?
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 08:23 PM
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Nope. I'm relatively new to the area and Scoobys to be honest. Bought my first Classic UK turbo mid last year and now wonder why I've never had one before!!!
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500bhp in a classic should do the trick (and some skills i guess).

.....or just buy this:

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...rdly-used.html

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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bnzi24
Ideally a drag day car that is still suitable for daily, reliable running. Something that will destroy all on a 1/4 mile romp.
You're gonna need deep pockets for that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQJ...ature=youtu.be
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by beliblisk
500bhp in a classic should do the trick (and some skills i guess).

.....or just buy this:

https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...rdly-used.html
500bhp in a Classic to do sub 3secs to 60. Behave!
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Need more power for 3s?
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So, how much power is required to get under 3 then?

In a classic.
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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Depending upon weight and gearing, yes.
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Fully stripped running UK 6 speed.
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 10:19 PM
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Even if you use the "performance calculator" which some say is optimistic, it alludes to 500bhp requiring a car to be 1000kg's kerb weight to get to 60 sub 3secs.

Let's say a Classic comes in at 1235kg's kerb weight, you're then needing over 650bhp to achieve sub 3secs.

Sub 3 seconds is insanely quick.
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You need at least 600hp in a classic to break the 3s
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Originally Posted by cookstar
Fully stripped running UK 6 speed.
Fully stripped don't mean ****. What weight?
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For the money you'd spend. Buy a gtr lol.

The scoob would prob break after a few launches haha
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What calculator says for 1,7 ton gtr with 550bhp?:P
Whats needed in hawk to get under 4 and 3,5?I am planing 500/500....where i might be then?

Thanks

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You'd be lucky to beat a Type R running 400 with a lardy newage.

Cue micky with the vid of his 330bhp classic whooping a 500+ newage
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Old Oct 30, 2014 | 11:49 PM
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Nothing wrong with so called lardy arsed Newages. Remember what my old SPEC C did at the ScoobySprint final.... Nailed everything!

John Felstead has also just won this years MLR sprint..... In a Newage.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 12:23 AM
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Andy Forest will be under 3 seconds at 1000kg and probably 1200+bhp
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I'd say that was more down to the driver and a good balance of power and chassis, all well and good having 5/600bhp but not much use if you don't have the skill to take advantage of it, also depends on the course.

I recently competed in a sprint but the course was better suited to smaller cars with short ratios, it was a kin to a go cart track, I was 8 seconds slower than the 3rd placed car over 3 laps, yet on the way home we had a little play and guess who got dusted. well it wasn't me, oh and that was in my lardy newage.
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Old Oct 31, 2014 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bnzi24
Ideally a drag day car that is still suitable for daily, reliable running.
Isn't this a bit of a contradiction? To be a high performing drag car you are going to have to do mods that take it far from a daily driver. Maybe make a drag car for the track and buy a comfy car for the road? Or spend £10,000's....
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Originally Posted by mickywrx

You're gonna need deep pockets for that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjQJ...ature=youtu.be
Think the gearbox is about 20k on its own
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Originally Posted by cuprajake
For the money you'd spend. Buy a gtr lol.

The scoob would prob break after a few launches haha
I was thinking to get those times theres gonna be alot of launches!
That's where the money comes in,being able to put the power down without things breaking..
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I'd buy a cheap classic and fit **** loads of nitros to it! Just keep changing the lump when it blows or build an engine to take it
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If you strapped a 600bhp capable turbo and ancillaries onto a standard classic engine I doubt very much it would make it past the mapping session. If by some miracle it did get off the rollers in one piece it would be like sitting in the middle of a bomb. Then if you managed to nurse it to the drag strip I wouldn't want to be within 100 metres of it because when that beauty gets launched so will the driver, into tiny little pieces all the way down the first 100 metres of the track, it'll be one hell of an explosion when you hit that nitros button.

Be great to watch though.

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ahhh the ditchy driving god strikes again.
you have the extra lardy and poverty spec newage though, i doubt he wants an estate or a wrx
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
ahhh the ditchy driving god strikes again.
you have the extra lardy and poverty spec newage though, i doubt he wants an estate or a wrx
Have they upped your medication or something, as you seem unable to read and a little confused as of late.

The point I was attempting to make is you need the right tool for the job, the solution isn't always more power as that only comes into play if you have the space and skill to use it. John is a veteran on the racing scene and appreciates the finer nuances, one of which being sometimes less is more, you'd do well to follow his example.
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