What mods required for sub 3 sec 0-60
31 October 2014, 08:45 AM
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Ditch,
Excuse my slightly tongue in cheek comment about Newages..... I couldn't resist.
However you're 100% right. Even if you had a sub 3s capable car, the skill involved in achieving timed figures is another consideration, and should never be a given. It was probably why I shouldn't of bothered with anything that had more than 50bhp. The other 500bhp was wasted.
Excuse my slightly tongue in cheek comment about Newages..... I couldn't resist.
However you're 100% right. Even if you had a sub 3s capable car, the skill involved in achieving timed figures is another consideration, and should never be a given. It was probably why I shouldn't of bothered with anything that had more than 50bhp. The other 500bhp was wasted.
31 October 2014, 09:17 AM
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Shaun.
As I'm learning all the time, there are so many other considerations apart from power, which is something Johns success is testament to, from what I understand he's running his JDM daily with similar figures to yourself (possibly less) against all manner of stripped out monsters that have every power and handling mod known to man as well as major power to weight ratio advantage, yet still emerged victorious, which for a man that considers his skill level to be "Average amongst enthusiasts" just goes to show it has very little to do with the statistics.
Very canny indeed and I suspect next years grid will have a few more following his lead, strange how those at the top of the sport tend to be a little older.
As I'm learning all the time, there are so many other considerations apart from power, which is something Johns success is testament to, from what I understand he's running his JDM daily with similar figures to yourself (possibly less) against all manner of stripped out monsters that have every power and handling mod known to man as well as major power to weight ratio advantage, yet still emerged victorious, which for a man that considers his skill level to be "Average amongst enthusiasts" just goes to show it has very little to do with the statistics.
Very canny indeed and I suspect next years grid will have a few more following his lead, strange how those at the top of the sport tend to be a little older.
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31 October 2014, 10:25 AM
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Shaun.
As I'm learning all the time, there are so many other considerations apart from power, which is something Johns success is testament to, from what I understand he's running his JDM daily with similar figures to yourself (possibly less) against all manner of stripped out monsters that have every power and handling mod known to man as well as major power to weight ratio advantage, yet still emerged victorious, which for a man that considers his skill level to be "Average amongst enthusiasts" just goes to show it has very little to do with the statistics.
Very canny indeed and I suspect next years grid will have a few more following his lead, strange how those at the top of the sport tend to be a little older.
As I'm learning all the time, there are so many other considerations apart from power, which is something Johns success is testament to, from what I understand he's running his JDM daily with similar figures to yourself (possibly less) against all manner of stripped out monsters that have every power and handling mod known to man as well as major power to weight ratio advantage, yet still emerged victorious, which for a man that considers his skill level to be "Average amongst enthusiasts" just goes to show it has very little to do with the statistics.
Very canny indeed and I suspect next years grid will have a few more following his lead, strange how those at the top of the sport tend to be a little older.
Another point worth noting is that peak power figures don't always tell the whole story (let's put handling set-ups to one side). It's about the area UNDER the cruve that counts, when having a powerplant that has the potential to be quick on the black stuff. John's set-up is very good in the low to mid-range area, with a vast amount of torque (compared to your normal 500bhp 2-2.1ltr set-ups). This enables John's car to be very quick/responsive out of bends on a sprint circuit. This was very similar to what my old SPEC C was like, which is why it did well on sprint circuits.
31 October 2014, 12:57 PM
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I would suggest that John's driving ability is better than "average".
Another point worth noting is that peak power figures don't always tell the whole story (let's put handling set-ups to one side). It's about the area UNDER the cruve that counts, when having a powerplant that has the potential to be quick on the black stuff. John's set-up is very good in the low to mid-range area, with a vast amount of torque (compared to your normal 500bhp 2-2.1ltr set-ups). This enables John's car to be very quick/responsive out of bends on a sprint circuit. This was very similar to what my old SPEC C was like, which is why it did well on sprint circuits.
Another point worth noting is that peak power figures don't always tell the whole story (let's put handling set-ups to one side). It's about the area UNDER the cruve that counts, when having a powerplant that has the potential to be quick on the black stuff. John's set-up is very good in the low to mid-range area, with a vast amount of torque (compared to your normal 500bhp 2-2.1ltr set-ups). This enables John's car to be very quick/responsive out of bends on a sprint circuit. This was very similar to what my old SPEC C was like, which is why it did well on sprint circuits.
I have noticed that you often speak of the area under the curve, care to enlighten me.
Also do you know any of Johns spec and what power he's running?
31 October 2014, 04:59 PM
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A good launch is quite ECU dependent. Power aside, you will need Launch control and Flat shift to help. Torque control is also useful for repeatable launches.
Here is the ESL demo car hitting a 3 sec 60 (top of second gear).
This was done on skinny 205 section toyo 888s and a 1.6sec 60 foot time.
Car is a forged 2.0, stock location GT30, Eu 6 speed, 20% in tank meth and ESL Motorsport ECU. Cost 5k including the car to get it there.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDKnzQKJ0mo
Unfortunately the heads were lifting that day due to the ARP studs not coping so although it had just done 557hp at RCMs a few days before we were down on power on the day. It's also a lardy wagon with a 6 speed box so probs in the region of 1300kg, which isn't exactly a fighting weight.
Here is the ESL demo car hitting a 3 sec 60 (top of second gear).
This was done on skinny 205 section toyo 888s and a 1.6sec 60 foot time.
Car is a forged 2.0, stock location GT30, Eu 6 speed, 20% in tank meth and ESL Motorsport ECU. Cost 5k including the car to get it there.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDKnzQKJ0mo
Unfortunately the heads were lifting that day due to the ARP studs not coping so although it had just done 557hp at RCMs a few days before we were down on power on the day. It's also a lardy wagon with a 6 speed box so probs in the region of 1300kg, which isn't exactly a fighting weight.
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31 October 2014, 05:41 PM
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Was actually a bit less than that as it was StanSs car that I bought for 5k and sold the GEMS ECU (I own ESL so ECU was FoC cheating I suppose but would still have made a profit). Sold the 20g for 500 and picked up the GT30 for the same. It even has AP 6 pots
31 October 2014, 08:07 PM
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Andy hits 60 in 1.5sec with a 1.2sec 60ft and he runs a highly modified EG33, not an EZ36. He is the fastest in the world but you don't need to install a 6 pot to do 0-60 in 3 sec, it's alot easier than that.
01 November 2014, 10:40 PM
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I assume with the EZ36 i would have to replace the pistons, conrods etc anyway as they're not usually a turbo'd engine are they? The EG33 is like hens teeth, so not likely.
Would the EZ30 be any good?
I am new to this game so I could well be asking silly questions and if so I do apologise.
01 November 2014, 10:54 PM
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It's not just the engine you need to think about.
Suspension, brakes, gearbox, ECU etc etc, even if you're not thinking about chasing Andy F's 7 second time.
I was lucky enough to drive the Lateral Performace Banana at TOTB this year. I was only putting it on the trailer, but, I stalled it 3 times. The clutch on it was grabbier than a grabby thing.
You need to think about the whole package, not just the engine.
Suspension, brakes, gearbox, ECU etc etc, even if you're not thinking about chasing Andy F's 7 second time.
I was lucky enough to drive the Lateral Performace Banana at TOTB this year. I was only putting it on the trailer, but, I stalled it 3 times.
The clutch on it was grabbier than a grabby thing.You need to think about the whole package, not just the engine.
02 November 2014, 01:19 AM
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It's not just the engine you need to think about.
Suspension, brakes, gearbox, ECU etc etc, even if you're not thinking about chasing Andy F's 7 second time.
I was lucky enough to drive the Lateral Performace Banana at TOTB this year. I was only putting it on the trailer, but, I stalled it 3 times. The clutch on it was grabbier than a grabby thing.
You need to think about the whole package, not just the engine.
Suspension, brakes, gearbox, ECU etc etc, even if you're not thinking about chasing Andy F's 7 second time.
I was lucky enough to drive the Lateral Performace Banana at TOTB this year. I was only putting it on the trailer, but, I stalled it 3 times.
The clutch on it was grabbier than a grabby thing.You need to think about the whole package, not just the engine.
I was under the impression that the 6 speed boxes were good for 600+ BHP? Obviously engine managment is another concern that can be dealt with at the last minute.
Getting the engine, box and turbo/turbos selected are the first steps. Everything else I'll sort bit by bit before the thing hits the road.
So after reading up, it appears the EZ30 isn't ideal as the pistons would need to be custom made? Whereas the EG33 WRX pistons fit without modification? Is this the same with the EZ36? I have also read that a twin turbo set up might be more effective on a 6 pot? Thoughts appreciated.
02 November 2014, 08:28 AM
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The ez36 has 92mm bores so same as 2litre cars so finding forged pistons for it will be no problem, rods are another story though as they use a weird offset rod im unsure of.
Twin turbo setup would be good but the lack of space could give you all kinds of issues for a daily driver
Twin turbo setup would be good but the lack of space could give you all kinds of issues for a daily driver
02 November 2014, 05:28 PM
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Bloody hell I hit 4 secs in my Newie WRX with just 300lbs of Torque and budget tyres full of mud on a damp track.
3 secs is one of the next targets. Unless I finally get a Golf.
3 secs is one of the next targets. Unless I finally get a Golf.
02 November 2014, 06:32 PM
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[QUOTE="fat-thomas;11552347"]
like the golf you have swapped TWICE for in your trolling thread
cool story bro....you better get replying to yourself or mention me in more posts to try and get a reply (which you dont if you have noticed
like the golf you have swapped TWICE for in your trolling thread
cool story bro....you better get replying to yourself or mention me in more posts to try and get a reply (which you dont if you have noticed
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02 November 2014, 06:34 PM
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02 November 2014, 06:37 PM
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Hey Matt has your WRX ever been mistaken for an STI?
No Tommy, has yours?
