Female Genital Mutilation
09 February 2014, 05:59 PM
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10 February 2014, 07:02 PM
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Male circumcision is occasionally necessary for medical reasons.
It has to be done carefully, since the remains of the foreskin have to remain attached at the underside, known, IIRC as the frenum. Cutting at that point would reduce sensation to the head of the *****.
A circumcised male is no different to an uncircumcised one as regards orgasm etc, except that he can often "go" for longer.......
It has to be done carefully, since the remains of the foreskin have to remain attached at the underside, known, IIRC as the frenum. Cutting at that point would reduce sensation to the head of the *****.
A circumcised male is no different to an uncircumcised one as regards orgasm etc, except that he can often "go" for longer.......
Totally disagree with the female version as it is totally sexist and opressive.
11 February 2014, 12:09 AM
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I was circumcised as a young lad through necessity as I was unable to pass water. I cannot see any logical reason to sever a clitoris, let alone the vulva. To sever the clitoris, vulva and then stitch up the vagina to leave only a tiny (Matchhead sized) hole just beggars belief.
Male circumcision in the UK is about HEALTH.
Female "Circumcision" or FGM Is a backward practice from the dark ages.
Unfortunately it is happening now in this green and pleasant land.
It is time for all of us to stand up for what this Country used to stand for.
I go to the battle proms at Hatfield house most summers, the sight and sound of the spitfires flying overhead makes me think about our boys who fought for king and country and I weep for the state we find ourselves in now.
I lay the blame squarely at the multimillionaire door of Tony Blair.
His 23 yr old son. TWENTY THREE now has a house worth over £3.5 million.
It's a disgrace.
Male circumcision in the UK is about HEALTH.
Female "Circumcision" or FGM Is a backward practice from the dark ages.
Unfortunately it is happening now in this green and pleasant land.
It is time for all of us to stand up for what this Country used to stand for.
I go to the battle proms at Hatfield house most summers, the sight and sound of the spitfires flying overhead makes me think about our boys who fought for king and country and I weep for the state we find ourselves in now.
I lay the blame squarely at the multimillionaire door of Tony Blair.
His 23 yr old son. TWENTY THREE now has a house worth over £3.5 million.
It's a disgrace.
11 February 2014, 02:44 PM
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All procedures are a 'choice'. There is no such thing as 'medically necessary' as in 'this is absolutely necessary'. It only begs the questions of what medicine 'says' is 'normal' and the way life should be. 'Medically necessary' is thoroughly normative.
11 February 2014, 02:46 PM
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11 February 2014, 02:48 PM
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11 February 2014, 07:03 PM
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Saying it is necessary is implicitly conditional upon whether we say they should be alive or should be dead.
And anyway the boundary between dead and live is fuzzy and being redrawn all the time. It's as much legal as anything.
11 February 2014, 07:23 PM
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Medicine won't always say that keeping someone alive is necessary.
Saying it is necessary is implicitly conditional upon whether we say they should be alive or should be dead.
And anyway the boundary between dead and live is fuzzy and being redrawn all the time. It's as much legal as anything.
Saying it is necessary is implicitly conditional upon whether we say they should be alive or should be dead.
And anyway the boundary between dead and live is fuzzy and being redrawn all the time. It's as much legal as anything.
11 February 2014, 11:46 PM
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Medicine won't always say that keeping someone alive is necessary.
Saying it is necessary is implicitly conditional upon whether we say they should be alive or should be dead.
And anyway the boundary between dead and live is fuzzy and being redrawn all the time. It's as much legal as anything.
Saying it is necessary is implicitly conditional upon whether we say they should be alive or should be dead.
And anyway the boundary between dead and live is fuzzy and being redrawn all the time. It's as much legal as anything.
Is there anyone on here who could do me this very small favour?
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12 February 2014, 12:10 AM
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12 February 2014, 09:34 AM
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Much like amputation of limbs or removal of teeth; A last resort that should be avoided and only done as a very last resort (unfortunately the medical world still prefers it as a first or second resort - based on outdated research). Now if someone chopped off your finger for sakes of religion, regardless of sex, you'd not be happy, and that's my whole point - for something like this to happen to anyone of any sex WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT is an abhorrent act. Its equally abhorrant for someone to be brainwashed into thinking it should be done and is ok, and I'll conceed there are limits to excusing a person's lack of autonomy for sakes of being part of the herd (i.e if you choose to have it done, then its your own silly fault if you then subsequently find out that you should have been left as evolution intended).
With regards to the practice in the UK and USA and other western countries, it has been common place where too much foreskin is removed, and the direct result of that is loss of sensitivity as well as other issues. Call it bad practice, call it bad training on those who perform it, or blame it on whatever religious nutjob who says that it should be like that. But because its accepted in our culture it is therefore all ok. Much like FGM is accepted in other countries.
And thats where I abhore the hypocrisy where UK culture condemns FGM whilst simultanely supporting and allowing amputation of parts of a baby male's genitalia for no medical reason.
Picking and choosing. Yes you are quite right UK cultures and religions does pick and choose what it thinks is acceptable. I've chosen, and condemn it outright for any sex, age or race, regardless of it bring considered more severe for one sex to the other - the measure of severity or personal impact shouldn't be used as a quantative excuse to say its allowable.
Its a pity that the majority subscribe to the social norms rather than apply cold logic on their own accord. But that's herd behaviour for you - c'est la vie.
With regards to the practice in the UK and USA and other western countries, it has been common place where too much foreskin is removed, and the direct result of that is loss of sensitivity as well as other issues. Call it bad practice, call it bad training on those who perform it, or blame it on whatever religious nutjob who says that it should be like that. But because its accepted in our culture it is therefore all ok. Much like FGM is accepted in other countries.
And thats where I abhore the hypocrisy where UK culture condemns FGM whilst simultanely supporting and allowing amputation of parts of a baby male's genitalia for no medical reason.
Picking and choosing. Yes you are quite right UK cultures and religions does pick and choose what it thinks is acceptable. I've chosen, and condemn it outright for any sex, age or race, regardless of it bring considered more severe for one sex to the other - the measure of severity or personal impact shouldn't be used as a quantative excuse to say its allowable.
Its a pity that the majority subscribe to the social norms rather than apply cold logic on their own accord. But that's herd behaviour for you - c'est la vie.
From that BBC article:
Jews have pointed out that attacks on Jewish religious rituals have been an unfortunate part of European history since the Roman times, and say they are dismayed by the latest ban. One Russian rabbi in Berlin to discuss the ban called it "perhaps the most serious attack on Jewish life in Europe since the Holocaust".
Get a grip rabbi ffs ...
12 February 2014, 11:26 AM
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Totally agree
From that BBC article:
Jews have pointed out that attacks on Jewish religious rituals have been an unfortunate part of European history since the Roman times, and say they are dismayed by the latest ban. One Russian rabbi in Berlin to discuss the ban called it "perhaps the most serious attack on Jewish life in Europe since the Holocaust".
Get a grip rabbi ffs ...
From that BBC article:
Jews have pointed out that attacks on Jewish religious rituals have been an unfortunate part of European history since the Roman times, and say they are dismayed by the latest ban. One Russian rabbi in Berlin to discuss the ban called it "perhaps the most serious attack on Jewish life in Europe since the Holocaust".
Get a grip rabbi ffs ...
What did Simon Sharma say of the Jewish mindset - Paranoia backed up by history.
21 March 2014, 08:52 PM
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A doctor in London with his non-medic crony has been charged for carrying out FGM procedure on a woman >
http://t.news.uk.msn.com/uk/two-face...ges-over-fgm-1
Another source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26681364
Where were his medical ethics?
http://t.news.uk.msn.com/uk/two-face...ges-over-fgm-1
Another source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26681364
Where were his medical ethics?
21 March 2014, 09:36 PM
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You know how backward and irrational these countries are; with their thought processes, belief systems and ritualistic abuse, Duncan. Hopefully one day they'll change, eh.
21 March 2014, 10:15 PM
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I understand that correlation, but it shouldn't be an excuse. I also understand that it's all very progressive of us to stand on our well-fed grounds, and say that. It will take years before any change takes place there.
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