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Old 23 June 2014, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
OK, but lets consider the case of a friend of mine.
He had an STI hatchback - 2009 I believe is when he got it from new.
It had its rev limited issue addressed before its first service.
Shortly after its first service, it decided to not want to play anymore, data was requested by Subaru UK, and sometime afterwards they said it was not being covered under warranty as the owner had driven the car to destruction.

How would the independent company know, or to to know about this particular vehicle?
At one time IM used to send under cover photographers to track days etc.
I was also told by a Subaru technician there is a max rev log written to the ecu which they look at for warranty claims.
Old 23 June 2014, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
So Subaru UK would have recorded this claim?
No idea, but the warranty administrator would have.
Old 23 June 2014, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Well i was told off to start with, she didnt break it, her hubby did lol, but it now boosts to 1.6 bar rather than 1.25....
Off to the garage tomorrow, 3 weeks old
Ooooo....... Hot weather and over boosting! Not a good combination.
Old 23 June 2014, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by terzoscooby
As the sole task of all the warranty companies is to make sure they never pay out - fact. I would take the data with a pinch of salt.
The best way to find out would be ask API or some of the other rebuilders how many 2.5s they have rebuilt.
Sorry Terzoscooby, that is not fact, warranty companies have strict guidelines to follow, and there is legislation to prevent them acting incorrectly.

Some people may have had bad experiences in the past or have heard or read about people that have and would never buy a 2.5 engined car no matter what, but nothing anyone can do about that now, and I can certainly only deal in the here and now, and for these people they will never buy a car with this engine fitted, that is cool with me, we all have freedom of choice.

As I said before, and I am sure I will have to say again no doubt, if the engine was that bad, then I would be charging a damn sight more than £3,000 for the package we offer, as that risk has to be assessed independently. I have too good a reputation/name to protect to risk putting the company name and my name against a high risk product, and if we get any claims coming in that are rejected for no good reason, all the work I have done has gone right out of the window, and good name/reputation is destroyed overnight. We have 5 other franchises here at Mangoletsi, we don't offer anything like this on any of those.
Old 23 June 2014, 10:24 AM
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Well John, I said good luck before and I say it again.
I mean good luck for your investment moving forward (genuinely by the way, not trying to be sarcastic).
Old 23 June 2014, 10:30 AM
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Everyone is entitled to take their claim to the ombudsman and seek legal challenge but the claims managers are trained to find no pay issues. How many claimants do file a formal challenge? Once the warranty company starts firing breach of clause at you the majority fold or come to some part settlement if they are more persistent.

John not saying you would ever do this and I know many people in the trade that honour claims where warranty company has not.
Old 23 June 2014, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by urban
Well John, I said good luck before and I say it again.
I mean good luck for your investment moving forward (genuinely by the way, not trying to be sarcastic).
Thank you Urban.
Old 23 June 2014, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by terzoscooby
Everyone is entitled to take their claim to the ombudsman and seek legal challenge but the claims managers are trained to find no pay issues. How many claimants do file a formal challenge? Once the warranty company starts firing breach of clause at you the majority fold or come to some part settlement if they are more persistent.

John not saying you would ever do this and I know many people in the trade that honour claims where warranty company has not.
Long term it would cost me more to reject a claim, than it would to honour it, and I/we are here for the long term.
Old 23 June 2014, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mangoletsi Subaru
Long term it would cost me more to reject a claim, than it would to honour it, and I/we are here for the long term.


Having been stung by one ex dealer who fitter a HT autos rear spoiler from new on my MY11 and now boot lid is rusting and been told to forget it by my new dealer as not an official spoiler I am glad to hear it. Wish there were more like you.
Old 23 June 2014, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by terzoscooby
As the sole task of all the warranty companies is to make sure they never pay out - fact. I would take the data with a pinch of salt.
The best way to find out would be ask API or some of the other rebuilders how many 2.5s they have rebuilt.
API will have a unbalanced view, a lot of the problems will go to them. What about the 2.5's that may drive past them every day, neither will know each other exist.

You said it your self , warranty companies will do what ever they can to avoid paying out so why would they be covering the new sti through John.

If the data is corrupt then its not just us it will hurt. The cars that we would go out and buy under false pretence would ultimately come back to bite the warranty firms when the cars start to blow up.

The warranty firms don't want to pay out and thats why the info needs to be correct in order for them to make an as accurate as possible calculated guess which wil be reflected in the price.

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Old 23 June 2014, 10:59 AM
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problem is Subaru has the stigma, of modding end of, so any warranty firm will know this and tread very careful when specifically engine claims are asked for.. We all remember how deep IM group went when peoples engines blew, some of them totally honest also, never modded never raced but still struggled to have it honoured, then we have the Illegal Dishonest bunch, heavily mod the car then deny all knowledge that they tracked it knowing well that the weekend at Snetterton shagged the car .

Its just a issue Subaru and Evos will always carry its what made the car, but is also what in essence could become a ballache....

still nice to know though you've got cover for 5 years, I always fancy a change after 2n half ish anyway. Just need that 400BHP beast to come before I look again.
Old 23 June 2014, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by terzoscooby


Having been stung by one ex dealer who fitter a HT autos rear spoiler from new on my MY11 and now boot lid is rusting and been told to forget it by my new dealer as not an official spoiler I am glad to hear it. Wish there were more like you.
Who fitted the spoiler Terzoscooby, as in this case in my opinion, if the rust is where the spoiler is secured, they clearly did not prep the boot properly before fitting it, so I would be claiming off them. If it is nowhere near the spoiler, then doesn't matter what is fitted to the car, there is no connection so it should be honoured.

just my opinion though.
Old 23 June 2014, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by terzoscooby
At one time IM used to send under cover photographers to track days etc.
Yep, I'm aware of that.
They also trawl this forum for pictures of cars on track displaying their reg.

Originally Posted by terzoscooby
I was also told by a Subaru technician there is a max rev log written to the ecu which they look at for warranty claims.
I understand if the cars are constantly being bounced off the limiter.
But, there most likely be an occasion where you occidentally hit the limiter.
Is that it then, one strike and your out?
Old 23 June 2014, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Littleted
problem is Subaru has the stigma, of modding end of, so any warranty firm will know this and tread very careful when specifically engine claims are asked for.. We all remember how deep IM group went when peoples engines blew, some of them totally honest also, never modded never raced but still struggled to have it honoured, then we have the Illegal Dishonest bunch, heavily mod the car then deny all knowledge that they tracked it knowing well that the weekend at Snetterton shagged the car .

Its just a issue Subaru and Evos will always carry its what made the car, but is also what in essence could become a ballache....

still nice to know though you've got cover for 5 years, I always fancy a change after 2n half ish anyway. Just need that 400BHP beast to come before I look again.
400bhp car is already been put together, hoping that package will be ready in 2-3 weeks.
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Originally Posted by Mangoletsi Subaru
400bhp car is already been put together, hoping that package will be ready in 2-3 weeks.
will this have a similar warranty to the 340bhp?
Old 23 June 2014, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
will this have a similar warranty to the 340bhp?
Don't know as yet, I would like to, it just depends on the cost. It will be at least the 3-year warranty, but would like to do the 5-year as per the 340.
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Originally Posted by Mangoletsi Subaru
Who fitted the spoiler Terzoscooby, as in this case in my opinion, if the rust is where the spoiler is secured, they clearly did not prep the boot properly before fitting it, so I would be claiming off them. If it is nowhere near the spoiler, then doesn't matter what is fitted to the car, there is no connection so it should be honoured.

just my opinion though.
Fitted by the dealer I bought it from but they do not exist any more! I would still expect IM to honour but told not to even try by my new dealer.

Rust is all round the bolt holes on inside. Only spotted it cos boot latch threw a spring and had to take liner off.

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Old 23 June 2014, 11:41 AM
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Ps had one wing and boot around number plate light done on corrosion warranty already.

And it is going around rear subframe mounts.
Old 23 June 2014, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mangoletsi Subaru
400bhp car is already been put together, hoping that package will be ready in 2-3 weeks.

Dammn!!! Your doing a good job mate

Love the passion and drive you seem to have, good on you mate hope those sales keep flying in
Old 25 June 2014, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mangoletsi Subaru
Don't know as yet, I would like to, it just depends on the cost. It will be at least the 3-year warranty, but would like to do the 5-year as per the 340.
Could the 400 upgrade be fitted to the previous model ? I.e. My 2013 STi 340R saloon?
Old 25 June 2014, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Beastie
Could the 400 upgrade be fitted to the previous model ? I.e. My 2013 STi 340R saloon?
Not something I had thought of to be honest, but most of the components should switch over to your car OK, yes. Once I have the new car up and running, I'll let you know.
Old 30 June 2014, 10:06 PM
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Was at Mangoletsi today for a service and had the usual great experience, free coffee and courtesy car though I couldn't persuade them to let me have the STI demo for the morning!

Was chatting to John about the planned 400bhp car, I have to say it sounds very exciting and if it delivers the forged 2.5 experience with the same quality of their 340 package it's going to be one hell of a machine.
Old 30 June 2014, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by XDevil666
Dammn!!! Your doing a good job mate

Love the passion and drive you seem to have, good on you mate hope those sales keep flying in
If the sales keep flying in enough is there any chance of the numbers dragging the November shipment forward?
Old 01 July 2014, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by casualhero
If the sales keep flying in enough is there any chance of the numbers dragging the November shipment forward?
^^^^^^

Subaru wrecks WRX sales record.......
SUBARU'S fourth-generation WRX performance hero and its STI derivative are proving to be more popular than ever, with the brutal boy-racers clocking up a best-ever combined sales result in Australia last month.

In April, Subaru Australia sold 691 WRXs to break the record of 469 that was set back in 1999 with the first-generation model. Out of the 691 total, 141 of those sold were the hardcore STI variant that only arrived in Subaru showrooms mid-way through last month.

This figure also meant that the sporty duo combined outsold all Subaru models including the Impreza on which is based, as well as the XV crossover. Only the Forester, with 728 sales, finished with a greater number of deliveries.

The impressive haul eclipsed a number of popular models in the small car class last month, with the WRX and STI alone – excluding the regular Impreza range on which they are based – outselling the Kia Cerato (384), Nissan Pulsar (590) and Honda Civic (660).

Full article here..........
http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257CD000166DAD
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I agree, Subaru have lost there way.
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Originally Posted by chris j t
I agree, Subaru have lost there way.
Just do a sales figure check on how they have been performing over the last few years, actually do the European one, remember that the market in Europe has pretty much doubled since the late 90's due to additions to the EU, on the other hand in the states they sold 400k Subaru's last year, it was probably less than 10% of that for the entire EU....

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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Just do a sales figure check on how they have been performing over the last few years, actually do the European one, remember that the market in Europe has pretty much doubled since the late 90's due to additions to the EU, on the other hand in the states they sold 400k Subaru's last year, it was probably less than 10% of that for the entire EU....

Tony
Have spent a bit of time looking through the statistics and posted a few links a bit back.

http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/subaru/
http://left-lane.com/european-car-sa...ubaru-impreza/

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Originally Posted by chris j t
I agree, Subaru have lost there way.
what you talking about willis, the new impretza is sold out!

they cant have lost there way when they have ran out of stock!
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Originally Posted by XDevil666
what you talking about willis, the new impretza is sold out!

they cant have lost there way when they have ran out of stock!
i think he was being sarcastic going on previous posts in this thread from the doubters
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Originally Posted by XDevil666
what you talking about willis, the new impretza is sold out!

they cant have lost there way when they have ran out of stock!
I was just being sarcastic.


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