Paul Gascgoine - Hero, Zero or Meh?
28 January 2014, 06:30 PM
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The bloke is a substance abuser, Fact, people who abuse drugs have massive highs and lows, Fact, because he is in the "limelight" and has a few quid or more likely people sub him to help sort himself out through pity, he get's some fancy doctor to put a nice fancy label on his SUBSTANCE ABUSE, for a FEE of course.
I suspect if he quit abusing alcohol and drugs his MANIC as in drug affected Hyper active/ massive high type behaviour and DEPRESSION as in resultant COMEDOWN from afore mentioned drug abuse would magically disappear.
A turd with a fancy bow and a nice label could be considered to be a present by others, but to some of us it's just a piece of **** with a bow and a label.
I suspect if he quit abusing alcohol and drugs his MANIC as in drug affected Hyper active/ massive high type behaviour and DEPRESSION as in resultant COMEDOWN from afore mentioned drug abuse would magically disappear.
A turd with a fancy bow and a nice label could be considered to be a present by others, but to some of us it's just a piece of **** with a bow and a label.
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28 January 2014, 06:46 PM
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has anyone ever met him??
i have he was briefly manager of kettering town fc, the town where i live and was mostly in the beeswing pub up the road p1ssed.
i thought he was a sad drunk old man, he obviously is very ill and cant help himself or even want to.
he was surrounded by "mates" buying him drinks and spending his money, id suggest this is a major cause of most his issues, now the moneys gone so are those "mates" and nobody cares enough to help.
i have he was briefly manager of kettering town fc, the town where i live and was mostly in the beeswing pub up the road p1ssed.
i thought he was a sad drunk old man, he obviously is very ill and cant help himself or even want to.
he was surrounded by "mates" buying him drinks and spending his money, id suggest this is a major cause of most his issues, now the moneys gone so are those "mates" and nobody cares enough to help.
What a total **** up he was as Kettering manager and as a TV pundit.
Whilst I do have a certain sympathy for him, that has pretty much been exhausted by his constant squandering of chances for a fresh start. Plenty of alcoholics around that are recovering.
28 January 2014, 06:57 PM
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People just seem massively ignorant of bipolar and how it works. No empathy, no sympathy, not one iota of research, just heartless mis-judgement.
Has anyone considered the notion of self-medication? Maybe the chicken came before the egg?
Has anyone considered the notion of self-medication? Maybe the chicken came before the egg?
28 January 2014, 07:05 PM
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28 January 2014, 07:09 PM
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It's not "simple". Alcoholism overlapping bipolar is incredibly complex and notoriously difficult to treat.
28 January 2014, 07:16 PM
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Its seems a celeb disease.
If I had time of work because I was a little down after a couple of weeks I'd have to go back due to the need to pay bills.
He has no purpose in his life. I'd say this is the root of his issues. His kids don't like him,he has no woman. Just wallowing in self pity.
He just needs to man up and sort himself out like many men have had to do in the past without the luxury of a celeb disease to blame.
28 January 2014, 09:22 PM
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celeb disease? Behave, many people suffer, theyre just not newspaper headlines. Some really ignorant people on here. Hope you never have to go through anything like that personally. It might look like a choice from the outside but its rarely the case that it is as simple as that to recover from his illness
28 January 2014, 10:12 PM
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28 January 2014, 10:22 PM
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You mean treating Bipolar with substance dependency/addiction? I've heard of comorbidity, and seen it. Doesn't help. Makes it worse.
In my observation, if it's not some 'substance', the dependency or obsession could be with something else in Bipolar affected. Abnormally heightened interest in spirituality and over-indulgence in religion, promiscuity, obsession with music etc. are some of the other 'substances'.
Yes, I do empathise with Bipolar disorder or any mental disorder/condition affected people.
In my observation, if it's not some 'substance', the dependency or obsession could be with something else in Bipolar affected. Abnormally heightened interest in spirituality and over-indulgence in religion, promiscuity, obsession with music etc. are some of the other 'substances'.
Yes, I do empathise with Bipolar disorder or any mental disorder/condition affected people.
28 January 2014, 11:59 PM
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IMO Paul G. could have really made use of the opportunities he has had- to help with his multiple issues. I think he was diagnosed with a few disorders, not just Bipolar e.g. OCD, eating disorder and some other one; alcoholism being comorbid with them. He had far more wealth than many Bipolars have, and he has had the best treatments possible. But he found himself helpless in doing so. I don't know him personally, so can't comment why.
The Bipolar people I've known haven't been necessarily some bad behaviour children. Whether it was acute life stressor/s or psychological trauma or hereditary or drug induced for a cause or all- what they go through is quite serious.
As you've seen Bipolar people closely, you know what it's like for them. One day they are giving up meat, in next few days they're chomping a whole roast pig. One day they're an open book, next day they're devising conspiracy theories behind their closed doors. One day they're madly (sorry for the pun) in love with their loved one, next day they hate them. One minute they're giving away everything they have, next minute they are climbing the walls! One month they're happy, God loving chappy, next month they're about to hang themselves. They're like the British weather. You never know when it's going to rain. It's not an easy existence.
There are a lot of Bipolar people out there who haven't 'brought it upon themselves' with substance abuse or because 'they have/had everything', but they just have Bipolar disorder.
I feel for their friends and carers as well. Friends usually drift away from them. Families/carers see them go up and down, up and down like a yoyo all the time. Very difficult for them to witness their loved one with such an illness. Knock-on effect is that their carers often end up on tranquillisers as well, if not mood stabilisers- they're that confused and stressed.
29 January 2014, 12:45 AM
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LOL good one, Joz. 
Although mine was more like ' it's all ok atm but it is going to rain anytime, beware. It could be hailstorms with thunder and lightening, even!' 
That's the reason why historic people always carried an umbrella and wore a mac as it's so bleddy unpredictable in Britain. As a post-modernist I just carry an Aldi bag with me to save my head from getting wet.
Although mine was more like ' it's all ok atm but it is going to rain anytime, beware. It could be hailstorms with thunder and lightening, even!' That's the reason why historic people always carried an umbrella and wore a mac as it's so bleddy unpredictable in Britain. As a post-modernist I just carry an Aldi bag with me to save my head from getting wet.
29 January 2014, 09:27 AM
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Not so sure, ditch.
IMO Paul G. could have really made use of the opportunities he has had- to help with his multiple issues. I think he was diagnosed with a few disorders, not just Bipolar e.g. OCD, eating disorder and some other one; alcoholism being comorbid with them. He had far more wealth than many Bipolars have, and he has had the best treatments possible. But he found himself helpless in doing so. I don't know him personally, so can't comment why.
The Bipolar people I've known haven't been necessarily some bad behaviour children. Whether it was acute life stressor/s or psychological trauma or hereditary or drug induced for a cause or all- what they go through is quite serious.
As you've seen Bipolar people closely, you know what it's like for them. One day they are giving up meat, in next few days they're chomping a whole roast pig. One day they're an open book, next day they're devising conspiracy theories behind their closed doors. One day they're madly (sorry for the pun) in love with their loved one, next day they hate them. One minute they're giving away everything they have, next minute they are climbing the walls! One month they're happy, God loving chappy, next month they're about to hang themselves. They're like the British weather. You never know when it's going to rain. It's not an easy existence.
There are a lot of Bipolar people out there who haven't 'brought it upon themselves' with substance abuse or because 'they have/had everything', but they just have Bipolar disorder.
I feel for their friends and carers as well. Friends usually drift away from them. Families/carers see them go up and down, up and down like a yoyo all the time. Very difficult for them to witness their loved one with such an illness. Knock-on effect is that their carers often end up on tranquillisers as well, if not mood stabilisers- they're that confused and stressed.
IMO Paul G. could have really made use of the opportunities he has had- to help with his multiple issues. I think he was diagnosed with a few disorders, not just Bipolar e.g. OCD, eating disorder and some other one; alcoholism being comorbid with them. He had far more wealth than many Bipolars have, and he has had the best treatments possible. But he found himself helpless in doing so. I don't know him personally, so can't comment why.
The Bipolar people I've known haven't been necessarily some bad behaviour children. Whether it was acute life stressor/s or psychological trauma or hereditary or drug induced for a cause or all- what they go through is quite serious.
As you've seen Bipolar people closely, you know what it's like for them. One day they are giving up meat, in next few days they're chomping a whole roast pig. One day they're an open book, next day they're devising conspiracy theories behind their closed doors. One day they're madly (sorry for the pun) in love with their loved one, next day they hate them. One minute they're giving away everything they have, next minute they are climbing the walls! One month they're happy, God loving chappy, next month they're about to hang themselves. They're like the British weather. You never know when it's going to rain. It's not an easy existence.
There are a lot of Bipolar people out there who haven't 'brought it upon themselves' with substance abuse or because 'they have/had everything', but they just have Bipolar disorder.
I feel for their friends and carers as well. Friends usually drift away from them. Families/carers see them go up and down, up and down like a yoyo all the time. Very difficult for them to witness their loved one with such an illness. Knock-on effect is that their carers often end up on tranquillisers as well, if not mood stabilisers- they're that confused and stressed.
This behaviour pattern then developed into alcohol abuse/ addiction which led to substance abuse/ addiction, which again most likely came from the pressure of expectation - feelings of rejection and everyone out to get a piece of the action, during which time trust issues develop and the whole situation spirals out of control and on into low self esteem, wife beating, mental issues, self harm, etc,etc.
Was he "Gifted" or "Cursed" certainly poorly managed by those who had a "duty of care" over him due to the prospect of personal gain.
Life's a b!tch, then you die, we are all masters of our own destiny, no one will be able to help him until he decides to help himself, I could go on but you get the general idea.
Cliches become so for very good reason, he's not the first to have a difficult upbringing or the general pressures of life that are thrust upon us all, we all have our coping mechanisms, he chose alcohol for whatever reason, availability, peer pressure, general acceptance and it's ability to numb the mind to the more immediate issues, ultimately when this no longer sufficed he moved onto other substances until the money ran out along with the "hangers on" Now he's left alone again with memories of past glory and the demons that this abuse have created and so the cycle continues.
Ultimately due to a life without barriers being set and enforced as a child, he developed substance abuse issues which then led onto mental issues. One could ask the question as earlier posed, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" i'd say this egg has been laid due to the extra curricular activities of the chicken.
I refer you back to my earlier posts and in particular a sentence in this one, "No one can help him until he decides to help himself" and take control of the situation / become responsible for his own actions, I doubt very much that he will ever do this because throughout his life he has chosen the easy route.
Weak willed, "poor me" substance abuser = drug induced psychosis.
"Life is difficult", grow a pair face it's challenges and get on with it, there is no comfort to be had in the bottom of a bottle, billions of us mere mortals have to do it every day, gifted tortured souls will receive little sympathy from me , the world is full of people who have had to face far greater adversity than Paul Gascoigne.
I have seen many on my travels in places like India and indeed my own extended family in Jamaica who after having seen what I have seen elsewhere I consider to have been fortunate to have a wooden shack and tin roof.
He has been extremely fortunate in his life, something for which he should be grateful and embrace, instead he chooses to drink himself into oblivion, nice to have that option.