25 pager at least Ah who gives a f**k

 

There's certainly been regional coverage of flood damage

And I'm in Sussex!

 

Is there such a thing as objective morality? If there is and we can know right from wrong (good from evil) then we can determine who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter. The real question is should a man professing to be a sincere Christian (as Mandela did) engage in violent means to achieve a goal, irrespective of whether that goal is just or not?

 

You still haven't answered my question.

 

Fifteen, and ours is only a black and white with a 12" tube.

Cheaper to license.......

 

*groans* that's awful!

 

 

He was involved in the murder of innocent women and children. That is his legacy, or should we excuse for that in your opinion Martin.

 

Don't argue Ian, Martin classes himself as an adult which automatically makes him correct and never wrong.

 

You left gender, sexuality, disability and age out. Some more that can be added to the 'based on' list e.g. financial status, accent, looks, family background, habitat e.g. whether they are council estate dwellers or a BTL landlords; what car they drive e.g. if they drive Corsa, Nova or a Punto they're second degree chavs, whereas driving Scooby would make them a slightly richer chav.

 

I think we should all stay out of non-Scooby related...clearly not able to hold a candle to Martin and his towering intellect and exhaustive knowledge of the world and everything in it.

I'm off to sit in a dark corner and hang my head in shame.

 

This is an interesting question.

What do you think? Should he, or shouldn't he?

 

We shouldn't let religious cloud the issue

Completely irrelevant distraction here, if it ain't everywhere

 

Clearly if your an 'adult' like fartin Martin then NSR is the place for you, since when did NSR turn into bloody mastermind anyway?

Maybe we should all do an IQ test to see who gets membership to the Adult club (the section of Scoobynet formerly known as NSR) and only users who reach a desired pass mak will get access.

 

should have one when you log on...suddenly there are just two posters and neither of them are Martin (or me)

 

Or me, but then again I actually know I'm not of superior intellect whilist certain others 'think' they are....

 

I bet I know someone who could provide us with a list

 

That's such a good idea

 

If he did then of course not.

The thing that riles me is that you are painting that as his entire legacy, why do you do that, and where is the balance in that?

 

why...surely all debates should be inclusive or they are of reduced value?

 

He can't argue with history , unless he is calling Mandela liar as he pleaded guilty to terrorist charges

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up of hitting the pass mark, there's a big difference between someone who is genuinely intelligent and a bull$hitter who likes to use big words to make themselves look intelligent. I know what you are.

 

Fartin Martn knows better than some one who has admitted to their own crimes.

 

How's that going for you ?

 

So terrorism is ok 'in certain circumstances' is it?..

 

Yes in the absense of any viable alternative then I believe so.

You have to put this in context, which so far you refuse to do

 

I don't know, Swati. According to Matthew 26:52, and the kind of Christian pacifism espoused by the likes of Tolstoy in The Kingdom of God is Within You, violence is never the answer. It was this work that heavily influenced Gandhi's thinking and his tactics showed that non-violence can achieve spectacular results. Likewise, Martin Luther King (also massively influenced by Tolstoy) had a greater victory through peaceful protest than say Malcolm X with his "by any means necessary" policy.

I imagine Mandela agonised over this. Perhaps he decided to risk his relationship with God in the knowledge that in those circumstances at that time the only answer was to resist evil through political violence. It's interesting that later in life he reverted to a strategy of peace, forgiveness and reconciliation and that it was this that gave him his biggest victory.

 

It's SN NSR.... it can't be helped

 

Lewis Collins
Glasgow tragedy
Paul Walker
Mandella

All in the space of c. a week.

 

Or maybe he thought, **** it, the white man brought us christianity and it's the white man who is oppressing us