tubbytommy

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is there not an "i love apple" website for you to go to??


its a brand that makes mediocre overpriced products thats all

JackClark

I'm sure it's in the same place as the "be a **** with every post forum" can you give me a link you seem to be a prominent member.

tubbytommy

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certainly

http://www.appleforums.net/

Shaun

Yep... we've been through all of that for Governmental use.

We challenged Google on this and as such ensured that data was/is held within countries that provide the relevant law to protect us.

It's the same process as any company would do, if they were looking for "managed services".

Where there is a will, there normally is a way.

For anything really specific that requires something outside of the rule, we have other solutions in place. It's the old age 80/20 rule.

You wouldn't believe the governmental constraints on data..... so if we can resolve it, I'm sure many other sectors can (and will).

JackClark

Are you using Vault Shaun?

Shaun

"vault" what's that? - (before I use google to find out lol)

Graz

So I work for a technology / engineering company with 132,000 employees worldwide. Windows is so heavily ingrained into the company that I couldn't ever see us shifting to anything else. The cost would be immense. Not saying every single one of those 132,000 have a PC (e.g. production line workers) but I suspect it's high percentage.

That said it has its challenges, we are currently starting an embedded Linux development and integrating that with a Windows driven company does become a bit painful at times, coupled with an overly paranoid IT security department and a bunch of IP lawyers who mentioning the term "open source" to has them sh*tting themselves

Windows is here to stay I'm afraid.

JackClark

I linked to it earlier, it's an add on by Google that adds extra controls for accountability, retention and all that jazz.

Beef

Windows on the desktop, especially directly, has a limited future IMO, even in corporates.

This is because with virtual desktops (VDI) becoming increasingly viable at both large and small scale, the local system will be required to do nothing more than start up the VDI client. At that point, anything capable of running the VDI client for the infrastructure of your choice will suffice, so even a tablet with a keyboard/mouse attached will be as secure and supportable as traditional desktops.

In the first instance, this will manifest as otherwise identically managed and deployed desktops existing as VDI instance, and so Windows will, indirectly, still be as popular in the corporate environment as it was before.

Over time though I believe that with productivity apps being increasingly delivered as web-style services, the number of directly-installed apps will shrink even for VDI platforms. Already Office 365 and Google Apps are able to give a majority of users all they need for daily activities, and when combined with VDI IT departments are able to maintain the iron control of systems they require even in highly regulated environments - don't forget that there's nothing to stop corporates deploying many of those applications as internal-only web services.

At that point, even a VDI session needs only a web browser, and Chrome runs just as well on Linux as it does on Windows, so why bother running Windows in VDI sessions?

Part of Microsoft's dominance has been down to them getting you 'trained' in using their products from an early age - when you have Windows on your PC at home, corporates don't have to worry as much about training users in the very fundamental basics of using it.

However the emergence of Android and iOS in the mobile arena and the growth of OS X in the desktop arena means that users are already being exposed to multiple operating systems with greater regularity, and as such minds are already more flexible about learning a new interface, especially as the basic elements of user interfaces are converging.

It will be that last step that will be the hardest, and it will be years in the making - but I think it will come with time.

Shaun

Jack,
Will have a look at that then, if only for personal awareness.

Beef,
I'd go along with that in general.

We have (as an organisation) always utilised remote desktop facilities. This was originally around the (previously flaky) Citrix set-up (which is now much better) and VPN solutions (as long as you're using a "corporate" device, in respect of the VPN use).

These have always been focused on the "home worker" though, instead of a model for corporate roll-out. Perhaps a question that needs to be asked again - it will be interesting to see what response I get back.

hodgy0_2

apologies for the late reply on this,

and potentially about the google client!!! -- my comments where based on the "consumer" gmail client

I made the disparaging remark re the corporate google client on the assumption that it was the same (or similar) as the consumer version

If it is, then my comments stand, (although I absolutely admit to being a bit of a Luddite and averse to change) if is totally different, then sorry and i will wind my neck in

Just feels slow & clunky - i hate conversational view

But I have a basic dislike of “web” clients in general, they offer all the advantages to the developer and very little to the consumer

The only advantage being its “mobility”


I remember years and years ago HP had a tool to manage printers and print servers called Jetadmin, classic “thick” application really usable and fast

It was replaced by Webjetadmin – browser based and not a patch on the thick client version – slow, ponderous and crap

Same with APC – the management went browser based and sh1te at the same time

Symantec have gone the same way

Anyway history teaches us that no hegemony last forever so the argument of Apples, Googles and Microsoft dominance is a bit redundant.

The technology lifecycle seem to get ever smaller, I mean twitter is only 5 or so years old

Littleted

MSFT own 88% of the worlds Desktops, and probably 70% of the backends. You obviously sit in a MAC world with your buddies, But mine I don't know any that do what your saying.

Mac will always play a premium seat in a Nice to have device, but as for enterprise No way at all.

And as for google, its a nice idea they had, but nothing id bother myself about, same as their mail offer to try hurt Office 365, what a load of **** that turned out to be.

I look after
NASA
BAE Systems
Bombardier Transport and many more massive clients, Not one uses Mac and if they do they flatten the ****er and pop windows on it

Macs in any enterprise are no good, just not secure enough or have any good backend to drive them, its all a hash

JackClark

Nice.

You need to look outside the Window, change can and will happen. Don't get left behind.

hodgy0_2

Never knew ones and zeros could illicit such drama

Fonzey

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Do you work with computing at all, at an enterprise level in terms of setup and support?

JackClark

Right now, no, have I, yes. Are you implying that I know nothing about the subject and there's no chance anything will change, ever? I hope not or at least I hope someone within your workplace does think forwards.

There are no timescales on this subject, just the future.

Littleted

Can't really think forwards for something that doesn't actually support an enterprise.

Only time I've ever seen it on mass was at a school.

BYOD will help apple as companies move into that arena, but as I found at Royal Mail the execs want macs because there nice looking, but and you'll remember jack because I asked you. No matter how hard you try, security won't have it, they will just prove me or you wrong that a macs a good thing.

In an accountants with about 30 people I'm with you, file sharing printing and the odd database, start chucking sap, oracle, policies at it and no chance,

I still love the ipad and phone though, still the best of breed in my eyes

Maybe 10 years when everything goes cloud then i agree, it will be aprox 5 years when Microsoft start to stream your opp sys it's where most of it's going

JackClark

You seem fixated with Apple, I think Google have more of a chance. 5,000,000 businesses and government organisations use the service already. Google themselves are pretty big and security seems fine with it. It doesn't require Windows but does support Windows, offering a pretty simple way out.

http://www.google.com/enterprise/app...customers.html

JackClark

Microsoft are scared.

JackClark

You heard it here first

http://www.cringely.com/2014/01/10/f...n-end-pc-knew/

jonc

Heard what first? That it'll be last time he spends a ludicrous five and half thousand dollars on a few iMacs? I don't blame him!

daviee

Just read the above and the word apple was mentioned over 12 times and the word Microsoft once in one page says it all. Written by a apple fanboy no doubt.

So apple has one more fleecing of the sheep and made a desktop PC that costs £3,300 in a dying market, and after a 15 year high they finally get 5% percent of the dying PC market , a bit like making the finest V10 petrol engine when the whole world goes hybrid. Love the way they use a Microsoft excel based graphs below to show the growth

http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/...year_high_at_5