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25 September 2013, 07:14 PM
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now i have had it fitted it is something that could be done DIY, engine tuner did the work for me and was a little trial and error in the fitting as no one had seen one of these before!
It is worth the money all day long though, the way it picks up and takes off is something akin to a stabbed rat now, it has really helped the spool and pick up along with giving us the extra power
now i have had it fitted it is something that could be done DIY, engine tuner did the work for me and was a little trial and error in the fitting as no one had seen one of these before!
It is worth the money all day long though, the way it picks up and takes off is something akin to a stabbed rat now, it has really helped the spool and pick up along with giving us the extra power
Good stuff mate
.i was looking at the killer b manifold but at the time there was not much feedback about them so i did not want to take the plunge,seems like I should of,35 extra bhp is nothing to be sniffed at just from a manifold change that's a superb result.anyway I'm not going to take over Tyler's project thread,sorry Tyler.SJ.
.i was looking at the killer b manifold but at the time there was not much feedback about them so i did not want to take the plunge,seems like I should of,35 extra bhp is nothing to be sniffed at just from a manifold change that's a superb result.anyway I'm not going to take over Tyler's project thread,sorry Tyler.SJ.
You will regret that..
I will be bugging aswell
26 September 2013, 11:18 AM
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26 September 2013, 03:22 PM
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Final bits collected today from Think Automotive, thanks to a member of Surrey Scoobies letting me know that Think Automotive which is 5 miles from where i live..
Had to by a new braided line as for some stupid reason the braided line on the left ( the oil feed that came with the turbo ) has metric on one side and AF/Imperial on the other.
Soooooooo looks like i have all that i need now so tonight i am going to be busy, should be all done tonight.. Fingers crossed.
Had to by a new braided line as for some stupid reason the braided line on the left ( the oil feed that came with the turbo ) has metric on one side and AF/Imperial on the other.
Soooooooo looks like i have all that i need now so tonight i am going to be busy, should be all done tonight.. Fingers crossed.
26 September 2013, 04:35 PM
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Cheers bud, i have taken the 18g out, fitting a MD321S now.. But think i need to get some 740cc injectors and possibily a FPR now as advised by the helpful SJ
09 October 2013, 08:53 PM
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Managed to get turbo inlet pipe in which was not fun with standard fuel rails and lines still attached.. Painted top pipe black as well, just going to send injectors off to be customised to 900cc and flow matched at lateral performance.
10 October 2013, 09:39 AM
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Yep lol.
remove aircon move alternator and ps pump etc with different brackets alter the wiring loom and all the water and vac pipes, and the fmic pipes.
Upshot of that is you get a nice shor tintercooler route with very little pipework involved (even less if you flip the intercooler too) which would mean less lag and better temperatures.
and makes the engine SO much easier to work on as you can ditch a whole load of un-needed **** at the same time
remove aircon move alternator and ps pump etc with different brackets alter the wiring loom and all the water and vac pipes, and the fmic pipes.
Upshot of that is you get a nice shor tintercooler route with very little pipework involved (even less if you flip the intercooler too) which would mean less lag and better temperatures.
and makes the engine SO much easier to work on as you can ditch a whole load of un-needed **** at the same time
10 October 2013, 09:54 AM
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It definitely does give you alot of gains, losing over 6ft of pipework for the IC if you flip the IC too, makes it so much easier to work on, can literally have everything discnnected and engine ready to come out in an hour or so.
Lag is vastly reduced.
The main factor for me was the lag, and how much easier it is to work on with out all the crap in the way.
if you are doing it, do it properly and moving into the realms of bigger turbos etc, you want as little lag as possible.
EDIT - just to add, I dont even have to remove anything to bleed the clutch/disconnect the gearbox, and to pull the engine literally all i have to do is disconnect pipework and 2 plugs, 2 bolts on the turbo, 6 bolts on the gear box and 2 bolts for the engine mounts and it pulls straight out. (oh and 1 jubillee clip for the IC) it seems absurd not to do it imo
Lag is vastly reduced.
The main factor for me was the lag, and how much easier it is to work on with out all the crap in the way.
if you are doing it, do it properly
and moving into the realms of bigger turbos etc, you want as little lag as possible.EDIT - just to add, I dont even have to remove anything to bleed the clutch/disconnect the gearbox, and to pull the engine literally all i have to do is disconnect pipework and 2 plugs, 2 bolts on the turbo, 6 bolts on the gear box and 2 bolts for the engine mounts and it pulls straight out. (oh and 1 jubillee clip for the IC) it seems absurd not to do it imo
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10 October 2013, 10:09 AM
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It definitely does give you alot of gains, losing over 6ft of pipework for the IC if you flip the IC too, makes it so much easier to work on, can literally have everything discnnected and engine ready to come out in an hour or so.
Lag is vastly reduced.
The main factor for me was the lag, and how much easier it is to work on with out all the crap in the way.
if you are doing it, do it properly and moving into the realms of bigger turbos etc, you want as little lag as possible.
EDIT - just to add, I dont even have to remove anything to bleed the clutch/disconnect the gearbox, and to pull the engine literally all i have to do is disconnect pipework and 2 plugs, 2 bolts on the turbo, 6 bolts on the gear box and 2 bolts for the engine mounts and it pulls straight out. (oh and 1 jubillee clip for the IC) it seems absurd not to do it imo
Lag is vastly reduced.
The main factor for me was the lag, and how much easier it is to work on with out all the crap in the way.
if you are doing it, do it properly
and moving into the realms of bigger turbos etc, you want as little lag as possible.EDIT - just to add, I dont even have to remove anything to bleed the clutch/disconnect the gearbox, and to pull the engine literally all i have to do is disconnect pipework and 2 plugs, 2 bolts on the turbo, 6 bolts on the gear box and 2 bolts for the engine mounts and it pulls straight out. (oh and 1 jubillee clip for the IC) it seems absurd not to do it imo
10 October 2013, 10:27 AM
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I agree with you about that is what a gear box is for, while driving yes if you have lag you are in the wrong gear, but we arent talking about "lag" like intial pick up or time to spool between gears etc.
What IS important, is the useable rev range. Then lag becomes very important, I have a low rev limit on my car due to the shims, so fitting a big turbo which moves the power up the rev range means you need to rev it more, or reduce the revs at which you are making power from the turbo.
So by rotating and flipping along with some custom pipework etc, I have moved that power band back down lower the rev range. Which means I make power down lower and makes the car less "laggy" overall.
10 October 2013, 10:46 AM
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Lag is not a myth, complete and utter tosh.
I agree with you about that is what a gear box is for, while driving yes if you have lag you are in the wrong gear, but we arent talking about "lag" like intial pick up or time to spool between gears etc.
What IS important, is the useable rev range. Then lag becomes very important, I have a low rev limit on my car due to the shims, so fitting a big turbo which moves the power up the rev range means you need to rev it more, or reduce the revs at which you are making power from the turbo.
So by rotating and flipping along with some custom pipework etc, I have moved that power band back down lower the rev range. Which means I make power down lower and makes the car less "laggy" overall.
I agree with you about that is what a gear box is for, while driving yes if you have lag you are in the wrong gear, but we arent talking about "lag" like intial pick up or time to spool between gears etc.
What IS important, is the useable rev range. Then lag becomes very important, I have a low rev limit on my car due to the shims, so fitting a big turbo which moves the power up the rev range means you need to rev it more, or reduce the revs at which you are making power from the turbo.
So by rotating and flipping along with some custom pipework etc, I have moved that power band back down lower the rev range. Which means I make power down lower and makes the car less "laggy" overall.
Be interested to see the graphs that show the degree to which you have moved the power band...
Curious; how come you didn't address the shim issue on your build...bigger blowers typically carry on producing power in the upper rev range so would seem like a pre-requisite to sort your heads?
10 October 2013, 11:00 AM
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So we are not talking about the spool of the turbo...which is the accepted definition of lag, we are talking about moving the power band
Be interested to see the graphs that show the degree to which you have moved the power band...
Curious; how come you didn't address the shim issue on your build...bigger blowers typically carry on producing power in the upper rev range so would seem like a pre-requisite to sort your heads?
Be interested to see the graphs that show the degree to which you have moved the power band...
Curious; how come you didn't address the shim issue on your build...bigger blowers typically carry on producing power in the upper rev range so would seem like a pre-requisite to sort your heads?
Well now even with a lower 7k rev limit I have maxxed out the turbo and it makes power all the way to the top of the revs, there is literally no more to be had from it, so with that in mind i dont see the point. In revving higher etc, the only downside is the torque drop off at higher rpm due to flowing more air than the cams can handle
By spooling said turbo earlier, you are making power sooner, giving you a wider and nicer power band, remember on dyno graphs it is what is UNDER the graph that is important.
So I would say for max response, and widest power band i would argue that rotating the manifold is well worth it.
It is worth doing just for the ease of working on it if i am honest
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Well now even with a lower 7k rev limit I have maxxed out the turbo and it makes power all the way to the top of the revs, there is literally no more to be had from it, so with that in mind i dont see the point. In revving higher etc, the only downside is the torque drop off at higher rpm due to flowing more air than the cams can handle
By spooling said turbo earlier, you are making power sooner, giving you a wider and nicer power band, remember on dyno graphs it is what is UNDER the graph that is important.
So I would say for max response, and widest power band i would argue that rotating the manifold is well worth it.
It is worth doing just for the ease of working on it if i am honest
So I would say for max response, and widest power band i would argue that rotating the manifold is well worth it.
It is worth doing just for the ease of working on it if i am honest
10 October 2013, 11:39 AM
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Well, I cant quantify the results as the car had alot of work at the same time done. But with no headwork and standard cams etc, i am still making the boost at the same rpm, or sooner than a car without, it is the only comparison i have though!
10 October 2013, 11:52 AM
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Not being obtuse here, but it's not the most straightforward of tasks so it's helpful to quantify gains before recommending the mod. I'm going to rotate mine (already have a custom ic core), just because I can
10 October 2013, 12:11 PM
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I never said straightforward, quite the opposite actually 
But in my experience it is worth while and will help with spool up and power band (what ever we are calling it now ive lost track) and while using larger turbos anything that will help spool it earlier is definitely worthwhile imo
But in my experience it is worth while and will help with spool up and power band (what ever we are calling it now ive lost track
) and while using larger turbos anything that will help spool it earlier is definitely worthwhile imo
10 October 2013, 12:31 PM
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plus I'm losing my aircon.SJ.