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Old 16 July 2013, 09:08 AM
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Ok another post just to give people an idea of the reality of a £6k STI.

Most will agree your looking at a bug for this money, you may find a blob but I doubt it will be much under 100k miles, but that's besides the point.

So what are we talking about for £6k.

If it's a bug we are talking corrosion issues on the front end.

All STI's suffer from knocking suspension, so anywhere from £300 to £2000 for replacement suspension, most currently opt for BC coilovers at circa £600, some say they are good some say not, I personally don't like coilovers on a road car, and ultimately they are cheap ones, you may find some second hand but they do tend to need rebuilding after a couple of years, buy cheap buy twice.

The front brembo's are known for seizing so they will require heli-coiling and re-fird, your also going to need to look at discs and pads at some stage, put that lot together at the same time and your looking at circa £500, which is why many opt for K sport or D2 racing 8 pots at circa £800, you may be lucky and find a set on ebay or here for less but factor in pads and rotors and possible re-firb.

This part is possible issues you may encounter and costs incurred to put right on a car of this age and price point

Clutch: £300/500
Cambelt: £300/500
All fluids: £200
Tyres: £350/500
Maf: £45/170

I would also be wary of the so called indestructible 6 speed at this age, plenty needing a refresh due to years of abuse and poor maintenance.

OK so not all cars will require all of this and you may be lucky and find a sweet one, and these things apply to a WRX as well.

The point being that for the un-educated newb this lot can add up to over £2k, it can be done cheaper if your good with the spanners and have a keen eye for a bargain.

Now this part is not meant to be confrontational, the other posts weren't either but hey ho, I knew they would be like rain on soft ground and draw a few worms to the surface.

These are the costs if you get it wrong and even if you get it right these things will need looking at some point in time which ever car you chose.

Many like myself would suggest fluids and cambelt, there are other things to consider such as water pump, thermostat, hoses and brake lines all of which if original will be tired after 10yrs bushes and bearings are also to be considered.

Things like alternators, power steering pumps and starter motors, cam and crank sensors, idle control valves and other bit's and bobs which are to be expected on any car of this age.

This is the reason so many in this price range are broken for spares, a cheap car can very quickly turn into an expensive car, one of these puppies has no problem soaking up £3k for no extra performance almost over night.

So you pays your money and takes your chances.

Peace, i'm out.
Old 16 July 2013, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Ok another post just to give people an idea of the reality of a £6k STI.

Most will agree your looking at a bug for this money, you may find a blob but I doubt it will be much under 100k miles, but that's besides the point.

So what are we talking about for £6k.

If it's a bug we are talking corrosion issues on the front end.

All STI's suffer from knocking suspension, so anywhere from £300 to £2000 for replacement suspension, most currently opt for BC coilovers at circa £600, some say they are good some say not, I personally don't like coilovers on a road car, and ultimately they are cheap ones, you may find some second hand but they do tend to need rebuilding after a couple of years, buy cheap buy twice.

The front brembo's are known for seizing so they will require heli-coiling and re-fird, your also going to need to look at discs and pads at some stage, put that lot together at the same time and your looking at circa £500, which is why many opt for K sport or D2 racing 8 pots at circa £800, you may be lucky and find a set on ebay or here for less but factor in pads and rotors and possible re-firb.

This part is possible issues you may encounter and costs incurred to put right on a car of this age and price point

Clutch: £300/500
Cambelt: £300/500
All fluids: £200
Tyres: £350/500
Maf: £45/170

I would also be wary of the so called indestructible 6 speed at this age, plenty needing a refresh due to years of abuse and poor maintenance.

OK so not all cars will require all of this and you may be lucky and find a sweet one, and these things apply to a WRX as well.

The point being that for the un-educated newb this lot can add up to over £2k, it can be done cheaper if your good with the spanners and have a keen eye for a bargain.

Now this part is not meant to be confrontational, the other posts weren't either but hey ho, I knew they would be like rain on soft ground and draw a few worms to the surface.

These are the costs if you get it wrong and even if you get it right these things will need looking at some point in time which ever car you chose.

Many like myself would suggest fluids and cambelt, there are other things to consider such as water pump, thermostat, hoses and brake lines all of which if original will be tired after 10yrs bushes and bearings are also to be considered.

Things like alternators, power steering pumps and starter motors, cam and crank sensors, idle control valves and other bit's and bobs which are to be expected on any car of this age.

This is the reason so many in this price range are broken for spares, a cheap car can very quickly turn into an expensive car, one of these puppies has no problem soaking up £3k for no extra performance almost over night.

So you pays your money and takes your chances.

Peace, i'm out.

My mate just brought a very nice clean 70k black prodrive bug sti off a member on here for 4k and iv just brought a nice clean hawkeye sti on a 55 plate (low tax so sought after) with low miles for 7k so think 6k will get you a nice blob sti if you look about and haggle properly as its a buyers market and you will be very surprised what people will take when there is cash in front of them
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Originally Posted by ditchmyster
Ok another post just to give people an idea of the reality of a £6k STI.

Most will agree your looking at a bug for this money, you may find a blob but I doubt it will be much under 100k miles, but that's besides the point.

So what are we talking about for £6k.

If it's a bug we are talking corrosion issues on the front end.

All STI's suffer from knocking suspension, so anywhere from £300 to £2000 for replacement suspension, most currently opt for BC coilovers at circa £600, some say they are good some say not, I personally don't like coilovers on a road car, and ultimately they are cheap ones, you may find some second hand but they do tend to need rebuilding after a couple of years, buy cheap buy twice.

The front brembo's are known for seizing so they will require heli-coiling and re-fird, your also going to need to look at discs and pads at some stage, put that lot together at the same time and your looking at circa £500, which is why many opt for K sport or D2 racing 8 pots at circa £800, you may be lucky and find a set on ebay or here for less but factor in pads and rotors and possible re-firb.

This part is possible issues you may encounter and costs incurred to put right on a car of this age and price point

Clutch: £300/500
Cambelt: £300/500
All fluids: £200
Tyres: £350/500
Maf: £45/170

I would also be wary of the so called indestructible 6 speed at this age, plenty needing a refresh due to years of abuse and poor maintenance.

OK so not all cars will require all of this and you may be lucky and find a sweet one, and these things apply to a WRX as well.

The point being that for the un-educated newb this lot can add up to over £2k, it can be done cheaper if your good with the spanners and have a keen eye for a bargain.

Now this part is not meant to be confrontational, the other posts weren't either but hey ho, I knew they would be like rain on soft ground and draw a few worms to the surface.

These are the costs if you get it wrong and even if you get it right these things will need looking at some point in time which ever car you chose.

Many like myself would suggest fluids and cambelt, there are other things to consider such as water pump, thermostat, hoses and brake lines all of which if original will be tired after 10yrs bushes and bearings are also to be considered.

Things like alternators, power steering pumps and starter motors, cam and crank sensors, idle control valves and other bit's and bobs which are to be expected on any car of this age.

This is the reason so many in this price range are broken for spares, a cheap car can very quickly turn into an expensive car, one of these puppies has no problem soaking up £3k for no extra performance almost over night.

So you pays your money and takes your chances.

Peace, i'm out.
There is an alternative view to what you've said though, and that is that by this time a 10 yr old or 100k car will probably had a lot of those things already sorted, and a buyer could ask to see invoices etc. to be sure they had.

Fluids and tyres etc. are a normal cost of running a car anyway, and I'd certainly be looking to come to an arrangement re. price if a car had 4 barely-legal tyres on it.

Perhaps the OP in hindsight would have been better saying that they realise there's quite a few types of Impreza and asking what are the advantages and disadvantages of each, and most especially what to look out for when buying any particular model.

Finally, the best car to buy of course is one that YOU are happy with.
That's why my wife drives a Corsa CDTi.

I'd say to the OP "find one you like the look of, have a drive and see if you like it, then get back on here, tell us what you're thinking about and you'll get the best advice on what to look out for (and what you might be letting yourself in for) before you commit your hard-earned cash.
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As much as this thread has turned into a slight b!tch fest. I still find it quite informative. With the backwards and forwards of opinions.

But Like Welshchap as said. Take on board some of the comments and have a search around. When you find a couple you like the look of, start a new thread asking for advice on them.

There is some truely VERY knowledgable guys on here that will tell you the pros and cons of the choices you have made.
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Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap
There is an alternative view to what you've said though, and that is that by this time a 10 yr old or 100k car will probably had a lot of those things already sorted, and a buyer could ask to see invoices etc. to be sure they had.

Fluids and tyres etc. are a normal cost of running a car anyway, and I'd certainly be looking to come to an arrangement re. price if a car had 4 barely-legal tyres on it.

Perhaps the OP in hindsight would have been better saying that they realise there's quite a few types of Impreza and asking what are the advantages and disadvantages of each, and most especially what to look out for when buying any particular model.

Finally, the best car to buy of course is one that YOU are happy with.
That's why my wife drives a Corsa CDTi.

I'd say to the OP "find one you like the look of, have a drive and see if you like it, then get back on here, tell us what you're thinking about and you'll get the best advice on what to look out for (and what you might be letting yourself in for) before you commit your hard-earned cash.
Totally agree, my blob was on 92k with a folder full of receipts and the previously stated mods and I paid £4k 2yrs ago, the milage did not concern me as the history was there to back it up and it was dealer and enthusiast owned, also the colour I wanted with £2k worth of quality mods and PPP, I also have the knowledge and ability to do anything that it requires, so any costs can be kept to a minimum.

At the end of the day it's down to as you say what an individual is comfortable with and I was and still am very happy with my purchase.
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Thanks again guys. I will take this on board and refer to this post when I see one
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Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap
There is an alternative view to what you've said though, and that is that by this time a 10 yr old or 100k car will probably had a lot of those things already sorted, and a buyer could ask to see invoices etc. to be sure they had.

Fluids and tyres etc. are a normal cost of running a car anyway, and I'd certainly be looking to come to an arrangement re. price if a car had 4 barely-legal tyres on it.

Perhaps the OP in hindsight would have been better saying that they realise there's quite a few types of Impreza and asking what are the advantages and disadvantages of each, and most especially what to look out for when buying any particular model.

Finally, the best car to buy of course is one that YOU are happy with.
That's why my wife drives a Corsa CDTi.

I'd say to the OP "find one you like the look of, have a drive and see if you like it, then get back on here, tell us what you're thinking about and you'll get the best advice on what to look out for (and what you might be letting yourself in for) before you commit your hard-earned cash.

this is the most sensible post in here as nobody in there right mind would buy a 10 year old car with no history.
most will have had extensive servicing by ten years old and the common faults fixed.
knocking shocks is no biggy and easily fixed and the brembo fault requires helicoiling which is a permanent cure also.
regarding shreks post earlier, your car has had the 5 speed box replaced as it blew along with its engine, the car may be a good car now but it has been a massive money pit id say and to get it running correctly is is now sti spec so the sti would have been the better and cheaper option in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Kam B
Thanks again guys. I will take this on board and refer to this post when I see one
Good luck hunting mate.

Hope to see you again on here - you certainly livened things up.
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Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap
Good luck hunting mate.

Hope to see you again on here - you certainly livened things up.
lol!

all i asked was for advice

there is this iv seen, looks great - its a 2.5 and i think a 5 spd

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...--2007/1526008
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its a 2.5 so stay clear of it................yes they really are that bad
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Originally Posted by Kam B
lol!

all i asked was for advice

there is this iv seen, looks great - its a 2.5 and i think a 5 spd

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...--2007/1526008
Before I say anything else, please bear in mind that I always take a cynical approach first. In my profession/job I have to find any possible problem and ensure that it is catered for and that means playing devil's advocate an awful lot.

So - my first thoughts were that this is quite a few quid less than one would expect to pay, especially with the very low mileage and the mods and the amount spent in the past few months.
Looking on Pistonheads there aren't many for much less and quite a few for over £1K more.

He's selling the car because he's moving house - yet he'll part ex for an R32, so the house sale is irrelevant I'd say.

I think the key question is that he's spent a fair bit in the past few months, but on what?
Has it been to keep the car going.

The low mileage is strangely a possible concern.
You'd expect a 6 year old WRX engine to have failed by now if it had the misfortune to have one of the dodgy engines that were unlucky enough to have chocolate pistons.
However, most will have done 60K or so in that time but this hasn't been that exposed to the risks.

I'm not saying 'don't take the risk', I'm suggesting that answers to these questions will help.

Plenty of people on here will give you advice on the symptoms of the onset of engine failure, so you can look for these.

Incidentally while ferretting about looking for similar cars I noticed an awful lot of WRX Blobs 2003-4 (2.0L) in the £4K band. Might be a better buy, giving a bit in hand just in case, and if it doesn't go wrong then your first upgrade is more or less paid for.
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unless you are looking for a big bill and trouble avoid the 2.5.

its a 5 speed as its a wrx
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Originally Posted by Kam B
lol!

all i asked was for advice

there is this iv seen, looks great - its a 2.5 and i think a 5 spd

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...--2007/1526008
looks fantastic and a lot of car for the money, I think it's realistically priced, but if I were to buy it i'd drive it straight to a specialist to have it forged, which will cost you circa £3k, so unles you have £9k to play with, walk away.
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Originally Posted by LuckyWelshchap
"Hi, my name's Kam and I'm asking fellow human beings for advice"

Instead of a friendly community who will jointly be as helpful as they can the OP finds that he's started a civil war.

Fwiw you're still better off with a Subaru Kam. They are brilliant cars M8.
You'll never get the best, just like you'll never get the best of anything you'd like, because like me you won't be a lottery winner.

I can only say "BUY ONE".
And also, when you're looking at one, post back on here asking for people's views on your possible choice.

You'll get honest opinions, not people's preferences.
Hang on, i bought one - they are not that great!


Ok your is rather superior to mine, but i wouldnt say it was brilliant. A bit tame perhaps.

But for the money, they are ok...
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Originally Posted by Fudgey
Hang on, i bought one - they are not that great!


Ok your is rather superior to mine, but i wouldnt say it was brilliant. A bit tame perhaps.

But for the money, they are ok...
Um.... I've had 3, and each of them has been a revelation to me.
My first (a Cat) had what I called 'more bottle than me' until I sat beside an ex-N Class driver who showed me what was possible.

My next - a WRX Classic (Import) - was even better, and it took me a while to 'appreciate' its different characteristics.

THIS one isn't tame by my standards, and it wouldn't be tame for anyone new to Subarus.

I was trying to convey experience, which in my case is that your first Subaru is beyond anything you can imagine, then you want more.

You grow into them, as much as they grow on you.

PS the only thing I drove as close to the feeling with a Subaru was my 1500cc VW hi-lift Porsche cams, twin Solex 2.5in carbs beach buggy.
At least to 60 mph anyway.
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ha fair play then bud.
i should mention that mine is just a WRX with a 'horrible blue interior' lol
Its a uk300 with ppp, i had it on the RR and it was about 240/240.

not exactly ground breaking as they are quite lardy cars, and a previous owner put linglong tyres on the front and sunful or some site on the rear. as soon as they are work ill put some decent tyres on it.
if i try to drive quickly, it just understeers everywhere.

dont get me wrong, as i have said they are very capable cars, but not brutally fast.
for the money tho, the are quicker than 'most' things out there.

when i have finished the house and have some cash to play with ill probably start fettling with it.
or sell it and buy an STI pmsl...
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Originally Posted by Fudgey
ha fair play then bud.
i should mention that mine is just a WRX with a 'horrible blue interior' lol
Its a uk300 with ppp, i had it on the RR and it was about 240/240.

not exactly ground breaking as they are quite lardy cars, and a previous owner put linglong tyres on the front and sunful or some site on the rear. as soon as they are work ill put some decent tyres on it.
if i try to drive quickly, it just understeers everywhere.

dont get me wrong, as i have said they are very capable cars, but not brutally fast.
for the money tho, the are quicker than 'most' things out there.

when i have finished the house and have some cash to play with ill probably start fettling with it.
or sell it and buy an STI pmsl...
Name and shame them I say !

Hope you get the house sorted.

I can't wait for you to start a 'WRX or STi ?' thread
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They all understeer until you do a few small upgrades or are skilled and committed enough to get the back end moving first, but who drives around on the roads like that, they do take a bit of getting used to before you can get the best out of them and decent tyres are an absolute must.

I'm not saying you don't know how to drive, because most men get very touchy about their driving / sexual prowess subarus are like the step up from girls to women, you can't just stick it in and hope for the best, you need to know what your doing.
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Hahahaha, love that comment ditch!

welsh chap, doing a rather large extension and run out of funds now... nearly there tho!!

ditch, ok i have only had the car since march and i will track it at some point as i have with most of my other cars, but it needs tyres, brakes and maybe a bit more power first (and probably a gearbox lol)

ok 99% its normal driving, but i like to try and have a little fun in that other 1%

car is completely standard bar ppp
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Sounds to me like your headed in the right direction mate.

Nothing like getting one of these out on track, I love waiting till I have no one around me and throwing it in to a corner completely wrong and watching the world go by sideways until it sorts itself out, which is something you just can't do on the road.

In the mean time, as a wise old man once said to me, "stay away from sheep and dykes"
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Well done for all your advice chaps.

Kam bought a new motor and followed your advice. He is now the proud owner of a err....

MK1 focus RS FLOL

If i had the cash, id have a decent one too lol
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Originally Posted by Fudgey
Well done for all your advice chaps.

Kam bought a new motor and followed your advice. He is now the proud owner of a err....

MK1 focus RS FLOL

If i had the cash, id have a decent one too lol
Obviously either:

* never trialled a Subaru; or
* doesn't have the bottle to take a scooby to the limit.

It happens to a lot - but most don't admit it.
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